Malaysian Grand Prix 2013, Kuala Lumpur - Race 2/19

We got 3 weeks of this i guess?

This is just the second race in lol. Wait till we get past the mid point, I wasn't joking. Some will be willing Vettel to crash out every race. Hell he could be 1 lap down on the whole grid and you will have loads wanting his wheels to fall off. I've more than likely said it myself in the past as he grates on me as much as most. It just gets difficult if you actually work for RBR.
 
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This is just the second race in lol. Wait till we get past the mid point, I wasn't joking. Some will be willing Vettel to crash out every race.

I have never seen anyone wish a crash on any driver on here? Sure some want a driver to DNF, even a RBR employee wished a DNF for Alonso on here....
 
Pretty sure I have, but unfortunately it's a hell of a lot of posts to go through to prove that. Even so, Wishing him and RBR DNF'S every race will seriously annoy if you actually work for RBR.
 
Vettel has the greater chance of being in the title fight later as I believe him to be the better driver. Will Webber relinquish positions when that happens? Vettel messed up big time.
 
Webber never let Vettel through before, so its likely he wouldn't have done so in the future anyway, regardless of what happened today.

Nice crystal ball you have there.

Massa having to let Alonso through is more of a possibility right? Just because it happened last year.
 
I suppose today Vettel being behind Webber shouldn't have happened according to your crystal ball. Your crystal ball suggesting such a scenario couldn't happen again towards the end of the season?
 
On the plus side it was great to watch Suzy ruffle Culthards jimmies with some direct questioning.
So did I. I was sure she was going to actually mention the fact that DC has, or had, rather close links with RB post his retirement from F1. I thought he'd have been wise to mention it himself because I felt that Suzy really was pressing him more than she would have done had he not still been a Red Bull consultant or whatever he is/was. :p
 
Its worth noting for you guys out there, that Hamilton made it all the way back to the pit, and wouldn't have been punished if he pulled over and stopped past the line. Hamilton was being TOLD to slow down to save fuel, but we don't actually know how close he was to the line, and we know that Rosberg was being told to slow down in the race to save fuel. All we actually know is that Hamilton finished the race with more than he needed.

Look at Webber/Vettel, both slowed(one later than the other) and cruised to the end, its actually impossible to say how much Hamilton did slow down compared to how much he HAD to slow down. With clearly at least a lap of extra fuel, going slower only saves so much fuel. It looked a very slow pace, but then the guys behind weren't gaining and after the RBR's established an 8 second gap they weren't pulling away from Hamilton much either.

Hamilton didn't have enough fuel to challenge the Red Bull's, clearly, but some of the pace he was showing was purely "safety" margin on the fuel, he could clearly have gone somewhat faster.. how much, who knows. For all we know there was the pace they needed to beat the red bulls, the pace they think he could have made it to the line, 1 second a lap slower, and they told him to go 2 seconds a lap slower for absolute safety.

Ultimately as I've said with Button/Hamilton before, the faster driver, staying closer to the guys infront, will have a disadvantage over the "slower" driver in the team who can't hang on. The faster guy who manages to hold on to the guys infront is using more fuel, losing efficiency in bad air, wearing tires faster, its not the optimum position. The second driver will often have an advantage towards the end of the race, but if the faster driver cruises around directly infront of the second slower driver... the second driver loses efficiency, tire wear increases and is disadvantaged at the end of a race. Partially this is punishing drivers due to the aero nature and tyre wear. Also obviously, when you can hang on within a second of the guy infront, you have a chance to overtake a fast driver with a good car, the more overtakes you do the more chances of damage/getting smashed off. Hamilton if he'd simply held on to his position, would have been hit off the track less, would have made less mistakes, and would have destroyed Button over the season, absolutely destroyed him.

The thing is, Rosberg at no stage of the race could hold on to the Red Bull's and had no chance to catch them at the end. I'm actually pro letting Hamilton have the third, though its less satisfying, and I was pro Sutil not being challenged by Di Resta, Sutil had a great race then some bad luck on tires at the end, but was the better driver over the weekend, as Hamilton was.

Something needs to be fixed where the optimum way to go around a track is to not challenge the guy ahead but do your best to screw the guy behind. Had Hamilton sat on Rosberg's front wing all race, Rosberg would have had the issues at the end, not Hamilton. Seriously not a fan of underfueling, but then, overfuel and you lose speed over an entire race... refuelling means no stints on stupid stupid fuel loads, less tyre wear, more ability to get the best out of the rubber.

Several drivers today, and last week said they didn't enjoy the race, and as a spectator I didn't, the drivers don't want to drive WELL within the limits of the car for the entire race, outside of Q3 you don't see the cars going flat out over the entire weekend... that is surely not good for a motorsport that is supposed to be the pinicle of driving and technology, both the drivers and cars aren't actually anywhere near full out at any stage of a race.

If Hamilton cruised around infront of Button the other season, never attempted to overtake the guy infront, never pushed hard(like Button) he would have smashed button to pieces in the championship, and never got remotely close to the leaders at any stage of the season.. Button would have had worse fuel, worse tyre wear, and dropped back at the end of the race, Hamilton COULD have done that to Rosberg, instead he tried to do better, and was punished for it.
 
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The one thing Seb showed this week is that he has zero respect for his team mate and his team. He needs to appreciate that whilst he is obviously a world class driver, he needs the support and innovation of the team to succeed.
 
Not going to get drawn into the heated discussion on the incident, but I hope Mark gets his chance to get one back over Vettel for that move.
 
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