Malaysian Grand Prix 2013, Kuala Lumpur - Race 2/19

TaKeN said:
Surely going past one another in the DRS zones is too their advantage?

It gave a slightly quicker lap time due to having it open. I Can't see it using any more fuel unless opening the DRS also boosts engine map/revs?
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That was the theory we were discussing here during the race, but they haven't said that's what they were doing, and Rosberg spoke about it as if he was trying to pass, rather than catch the RBRs as a pair.

Rosberg had 2 chances to beat Hamilton when they were racing that he didn't make stick, so I don't think he can complain to much about the team not letting him pass later.
 
Guerrilla said:
Vettel seems to have the ruthlessness of other drivers but he also seems bothered by what people think of him and tries hard to be liked. Those two qualities don't work so well together.
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Vettel is an arrogant little brat who is despised for his whining and his finger-waggling. If he wants to be liked he needs to sort those things out, not his ruthlessness.
 
Skeeter said:
Name a universally popular multiple world champion?
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There's never going to be anyone who appeals to EVERYONE, but rarely hear bad things about Jim Clark, Jackie Stewart Graham Hill or Mika Hakkinen.

And he's got his critics, but I think generally everyone respects Alonso. When I was on a Silverstone tour recently, the guide, who himself is an elderly member of the BRDC, seemed pretty praising towards him and called him one of the fairest drivers he'd ever seen i.e. never did anything "dirty" on-track, pointing out the 2 Monza incidents involving him and Vettel.
 
Senna was far from popular. Respected, yes, but still a bit of an arse.

There is definitely a trend towards multiple champions not being nice guys. Vettel needs to decide which is more important. Regardless of your views on what he did during the race, the half arsed forced apology was pathetic.
 
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Nobody seemed to like racing with Senna, although in an interview with Mansell he said they came to a mutual understanding.

I think drivers are under a bit more scrutiny now than they were back in the day but also drivers get away with doing much more reckless things to each other because the risk of death has decreased from "imminent" to "unlikely".
 
smr said:
Alonso actually... since his 2007 ways he's been more popular with people and nicer in general.

Look at the podium cheers in Australia he got...
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Alonso and Vettel appear to have complete swapped personalities - not with each other but in themselves. Alonso always seemed to come across as a difficult so and so yet has become a real charmer. Vettel in his first couple of years was the young lad that you couldn't help to like - I remember one race Brundle saying he imagined Vettel telling himself jokes on the back straight. Can't see that being said now.
 
EddScott said:
Alonso and Vettel appear to have complete swapped personalities - not with each other but in themselves. Alonso always seemed to come across as a difficult so and so yet has become a real charmer. Vettel in his first couple of years was the young lad that you couldn't help to like - I remember one race Brundle saying he imagined Vettel telling himself jokes on the back straight. Can't see that being said now.
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Thing is I've never really disliked Vettel...

Yeah I know the same person winning all the time becomes boring, and his finger wagging is annoying.

Aside from that I've never had a problem with him, he's always come across as funny and easy going but since last weekend I can't help but see him in the same light that I used to.

It's not so much what he did but how he handled it all after the race, the blatant lying about "telling the truth" and that he "didn't do it deliberately" and he "wasn't ordered to hold station" by the team...

All of those points made him out to be a liar, and that's what I think a lot of people detest, I can get over the arrogance of his overtaking Webber but the rest of it he'll need to work hard to endear himself to many Formula 1 fans again...
 
Thing is I've never really disliked Vettel...

Yeah I know the same person winning all the time becomes boring, and his finger wagging is annoying.

Aside from that I've never had a problem with him, he's always come across as funny and easy going but since last weekend I can't help not seeing him in the same light that I used to.

It's not so much what he did but how he handled it all after the race, the blatant lying about "telling the truth" and that he "didn't do it deliberately" and he "wasn't ordered to hold station" by the team...

All of those points made him out to be a liar, and that's what I think a lot of people detest, I can get over the arrogance of his overtaking Webber but the rest of it he'll need to work hard to endear himself to many Formula 1 fans again...
 
If most people put themselves in Vettel's shoes, 3 time champion, aiming to beat a 5 consecutive record, starting from pole and behind a slower driver, I think you would all ignore orders (or advise shall we say) and take the guy.

Did they ever decide if Webber was on a lower map then Vettel during the overtake? Horner's interview gave the impression Webber turned it back up but then fought him and lost.
 
Watching the video of Mark cutting Seb up at the end of the race, Seb didn't seem too upset about making the 'mistake' of going for victory. His celebrations were that of someone who'd had a hard fought race for the win.

His apology was just damage limitation when he realized how this would affect his popularity.

No matter how much I didn't like what Seb did, at least he gave us a bit of action in what was becoming a dull last third of the race.
 
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