Man sends banana to black mans table in Wetherspoons pub
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In the famous words of Sir Francis Urquhart “You might very well think that; I couldn’t possibly comment.”
Absolutely. It's rather ironic that the whole thing is based on the assumption that white western men have a monopoly on rationality — an idea that's inherently racist and sexist!
Now you've misplaced my meaning of the first sentence as to do with racism when it was about vulnerability, a qualifier to the following statement on the detrimental impact. And the second sentence you highlighted you're simply being dismissive of the segregation, without any fact on the matter.
Correlations of result may exist with being a social outcast due to social inability, however causes differ vastly and you're willingly dismissing this part.
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Presumably because he doesn't agree with far right organisations at all, which is rather different to believing in the overall aims of a movement whilst not liking the actions of some members.
No it's the same. I don't agree with the far left actions of some of Antifa and some of BLM. Expecting me to support a movement is not too far a step from saying "if you're not with us then you're against us". It's also assuming that tackling racism is only possible by supporting those movements and not by any other method.
I disagree with their divisive nature. I think they make things worse, not better. I don't support them.
While I'm at it... AllLivesMatter
Come again?
I'm saying that blaming social anxiety on "systemic racism" is a most likely a nonsense. If that's dismissive it's because I don't believe you can just blame all the world's problems (and the individual's) on racism as a catch-all, and have any kind of credibility.
I can't really make much sense of your reply above.
The "overall aims" of BLM seems to depend on whom you ask, but some of those aims at one point included dismantling the police and the "patriarchy", abolishing western civilisation, etc.
Seems their manifesto isn't exactly a single-issue concern (ie that black lives matter), but rather some revolutionary concept.
No sure many sane people would want to join or be associated with them - beyond their tagline ("Black Lives Matter" for the avoidance of doubt).
by your logic then it was ok for fans back in the 80's to throw bananas on the footy pitch when John Barnes was playing ? wasn't threatening in any way was it ?
you should take your own advice and try and engage your brain............... although there will likely be an operational issue there for you...
Where have I ever said it was ok?
Is there an issue with certain demographics on this forum and reading?
@Dis86
OK what about if it's phrased like this.
Do you think the guy sending the banana in spoons deserves any punitive action against him? I can answer this, you've said over and over no, and you think the guy should suck it up. You think the action of sending it was wrong, but that in no way should the guy get any punishment.
So for people who throw bananas at black footballers, do they deserve any punishment or should the black footballers just suck it up?
If you think they deserve punishment, can you say why the situations are so different? If you think they don't deserve punishment, I suppose it would be good for you to elaborate on that because it's a view very different to basically everyone who isn't openly racist.
If only the answers to your questions were written down somewhere.
Oh...they are. In this thread.
You've given various answers as to how threatening or not you think the guy who sent the banana was being and how you think that relates to whether or not prosecution is justified. All the same, I'd really like it if you could directly answer my question.
The answers to your question are already within the thread. As I've stated.
Just because they're footballers doesn't entitle them to any special privilege. The ground/club/league is welcome to ban the banana throwers, and I'd encourage them to do so, but I don't believe that they deserve a judicial punishment.
Worth noting that if they hit someone with one then that could go down the assault route.
You got a source for that?
I do not, obviously a self made assertion. Would be interested if you want to discuss why you think I'm wrong.
Thanks for answering directly. You'd have it so that the law is unable to do anything to try and protect people from having bananas thrown at them and monkey chants made at them by possibly hundreds of people.
Good to be a bit clearer on your position, cheers.
Don'tcha know OcUK is positively stuffed to the rafters with racists and fascists?*
You'll typically find me goose-stepping around Waitrose screaming, "Arbeit macht frei!" at the aubergines.
(*this is what some people actually believe)
Should people be protected from being booed? Or chants of you're rubbish? Heck I've heard entire crowds mocking someone's appearance before (Peter Beardsley, not a handsome chap). He didn't run crying to the police. They wouldn't have done anything if he did.
Unfortunately some people are unpleasant in some circumstances. It's not criminal. I've already explained I find it stupid that some physical aspects are protected and others aren't.
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