Man sends banana to black mans table in Wetherspoons pub

dl8860 · 18 Sep 2020 at 13:01

FoxEye said:
Don'tcha know OcUK is positively stuffed to the rafters with racists and fascists?*

You'll typically find me goose-stepping around Waitrose screaming, "Arbeit macht frei!" at the aubergines.

(*this is what some people actually believe)

I didn't claim that, I genuinely don't think many people anywhere let alone on here think that banana chucking and monkey chants are undeserving of any punishment at all. Dis86 has at least talked about the difference between clubs banning and prosecution under law, whereas RPL has implied he thinks no punishment at all is warranted.

NVP · 18 Sep 2020 at 13:19

FoxEye said:
Come again?

I'm saying that blaming social anxiety on "systemic racism" is a most likely a nonsense. If that's dismissive it's because I don't believe you can just blame all the world's problems (and the individual's) on racism as a catch-all, and have any kind of credibility.

I can't really make much sense of your reply above.

Oh my. Blame all the worlds problems? We're talking about 1 specific event and another similar event. If you're struggling to understand my second post I think that is because you incorrectly interpreted the first. Read them both again if you actually wish to have a discussion as opposed to simply platforming your opinion.

If you're unwilling then I have little time for waste

R.P.L · 18 Sep 2020 at 13:19

dl8860 said:
I do not, obviously a self made assertion. Would be interested if you want to discuss why you think I'm wrong.

I just don't like the whole "if you disagree then you're against anyone who isn't racist" argument without any type of evidence. At best it's lazy and misleading.

arknor · 18 Sep 2020 at 13:29

When he next walked past the pub even the memory of what had happened left him trembling and his hands feeling shaky, he said.

seriously?

Dis86 · 18 Sep 2020 at 13:33

arknor said:
seriously?

Like I said, pathetic little whiney wimp.

Tony Edwards · 18 Sep 2020 at 13:41

arknor said:
seriously?

Dis86 said:
Like I said, pathetic little whiney wimp.

Are you kidding?

Someone basicaly called him a ****** in a public enviroment. Its a massive reminder that even just sitting in a pub you are not welcome in your own country by certain individuals just because of the colour of your skin. Just like that poor young women ex footballer getting called out because of the colour of her skin. Its you lot that are pathetic.

Dis86 · 18 Sep 2020 at 13:41

Tony Edwards said:
Are you kidding?

Someone basicaly called him a ****** in a public enviroment. Its a massive reminder that even just sitting in a pub you are not welcome in your own country by certain individuals just because of the colour of your skin. Just like that poor young women ex footballer getting called out because of the colour of her skin. Its you lot that are pathetic.

Yup. Seriously. PTSD from being called a name. Lol.

dl8860 · 18 Sep 2020 at 13:54

R.P.L said:
I just don't like the whole "if you disagree then you're against anyone who isn't racist" argument without any type of evidence. At best it's lazy and misleading.

How about if I said "if you march down the street sating you hate black people then you are racist."

Does that need to be backed up with evidence?

Yes there's a difference but the point stands.

What I said was regarding a clear and specific example, not some broad brush statement.

NVP · 18 Sep 2020 at 13:56

There is, or more accurately, used to be a huge stigma associated with local pubs in the UK. It was rare I entered one without issue when I was younger. The more the world opened up the easier it was and these days its not even a second thought. However I can see how an incident such as this might cause someone to regress in this regard.

Tony Edwards · 18 Sep 2020 at 14:09

Dis86 said:
Yup. Seriously. PTSD from being called a name. Lol.

Its not just being called a name though is it?

Maybe to you it is because maybe you go around doing this sort of thing with your mates and think its funny or just 'bants mates'.

Yadda · 18 Sep 2020 at 14:14

NVP said:
There is, or more accurately, used to be a huge stigma associated with local pubs in the UK. It was rare I entered one without issue when I was younger. The more the world opened up the easier it was and these days its not even a second thought. However I can see how an incident such as this might cause someone to regress in this regard.

I know the type of pubs you mean. We used to call them "Star Wars cantinas" on account of the bizarre and strangely hostile clientele.

R.P.L · 18 Sep 2020 at 14:16

dl8860 said:
How about if I said "if you march down the street sating you hate black people then you are racist."

Does that need to be backed up with evidence?

Yes there's a difference but the point stands.

What I said was regarding a clear and specific example, not some broad brush statement.

That's not even remotely the same. You might want to go back and read what you wrote that I originally objected to, because I can't think of a way to explain it other than to present the two statements and state that they're quite obviously not the same.

Dis86 · 18 Sep 2020 at 14:18

Tony Edwards said:
Its not just being called a name though is it?

Maybe to you it is because maybe you go around doing this sort of thing with your mates and think its funny or just 'bants mates'. I mean you are in the QOS thread complaining about a young women getting a job in the place over a white person just because she is black after all.

You're right, it wasn't even being called a name. It was just implied. So even less than that.

Also no, she didn't get the job over her, sue barker was removed from her job and replaced. Not aware that I've complained because she's black though. Fancy providing some evidence of that?

It's funny how the same group of people on here constantly make things up. It's almost like they're delusional or mentally unstable.

NVP · 18 Sep 2020 at 14:19

Yadda said:
I know the type of pubs you mean. We used to call them "Star Wars cantinas" on account of the bizarre and strangely hostile clientele.

Haha bang on

Mr Badger · 18 Sep 2020 at 14:20

Hades said:
I'll flip that around. Why don't you join a far right group and change it from the inside? Surely by your own measure that is a better way to change them rather than stand on the side lines, complaining and doing nothing constructive.

Mr Badger said:
Presumably because he doesn't agree with far right organisations at all, which is rather different to believing in the overall aims of a movement whilst not liking the actions of some members.

Hades said:
No it's the same. I don't agree with the far left actions of some of Antifa and some of BLM. Expecting me to support a movement is not too far a step from saying "if you're not with us then you're against us". It's also assuming that tackling racism is only possible by supporting those movements and not by any other method.

I disagree with their divisive nature. I think they make things worse, not better. I don't support them.

While I'm at it... AllLivesMatter

FoxEye said:
The "overall aims" of BLM seems to depend on whom you ask, but some of those aims at one point included dismantling the police and the "patriarchy", abolishing western civilisation, etc.

Seems their manifesto isn't exactly a single-issue concern (ie that black lives matter), but rather some revolutionary concept.

No sure many sane people would want to join or be associated with them - beyond their tagline ("Black Lives Matter" for the avoidance of doubt).

The exchange started off about Antifa and people being pro or anti fascist before BLM was thrown into the mix. The point being that if you are anti fascist you wouldn't shave your head, get a swastika tattoo and join a far right march because you were concerned about the actions of some people identifying themselves as Antifa. The same as if you were passionately against killing animals for sport, you wouldn't buy a horse and join the local hunt because you were concerned about the actions of some hunt saboteurs.

OpenToSuggestions · 18 Sep 2020 at 14:20

The worst thing you can do is give it attention. It's only a banana. Move on.

Tony Edwards · 18 Sep 2020 at 14:23

Dis86 said:
You're right, it wasn't even being called a name. It was just implied. So even less than that.

Also no, she didn't get the job over her, sue barker was removed from her job and replaced. Not aware that I've complained because she's black though. Fancy providing some evidence of that?

It's funny how the same group of people on here constantly make things up. It's almost like they're delusional or mentally unstable.

A banana sent to a black person is not 'implied' its a statement. Im not surprised you are defending or at least downplaying it though.

For some strange reason I confused you with Roar. Not sure how that happened as you have such different views on race. You will also see I had edited that bit about QOS out, but lets not pretend its not your reason aswell as her being female that you are not happy about it.

Dis86 · 18 Sep 2020 at 14:25

Tony Edwards said:
A banana sent to a black person is not 'implied' its a statement. Im not surprised you are defending or at least downplaying it though.

For some strange reason I confused you with Roar. Not sure how that happened as you have such different views on race. You will also see I had edited that bit about QOS out, but lets not pretend its not your reason aswell as her being female that you are not happy about it.

Lmao. Yeah I'm upset that a woman was replaced by...a woman.

So which is it with you? Delusional or unstable?

Tony Edwards · 18 Sep 2020 at 14:27

Dis86 said:
Lmao. Yeah I'm upset that a woman was replaced by...a woman.

So which is it with you? Delusional or unstable?

Yeah I think you might be upset that she wasnt replaced by a man. Unless they werent white then well who knows what your thoughts would be.

FoxEye · 18 Sep 2020 at 14:29

Mr Badger said:
The exchange started off about Antifa and people being pro or anti fascist before BLM was thrown into the mix. The point being that if you are anti fascist you wouldn't shave your head, get a swastika tattoo and join a far right march because you were concerned about the actions of some people identifying themselves as Antifa. The same as if you were passionately against killing animals for sport, you wouldn't buy a horse and join the local hunt because you were concerned about the actions of some hunt saboteurs.

The whole "anti-fascist" movement is just attention seeking and people who want to have a bit of a jolly old time rioting.

It's nothing more than that.

We wouldn't "join" the so-called "anti-fascists" any more than you'd join the Hitler Youth.

They are not a good cause. They're a bunch of loons, anarchists, and thugs. There is no good work done by self-identifying "Antifa", anywhere.

As I see it, "Antifa" and the "Neo-Nazis" are just two groups of thugs, a bit like "ultra" football hooligans. Both groups hate the other, and both are just idiots and thugs. The same drama plays out in football terraces the world over.