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. My thoughts go out to their families and friends. Also to those in hospital, some having lost limbs 
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Seems unlikely he just said something about Islam. Personally, I have massive contempt for all religion.
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Quite rightly so. He should have worded his question better instead of blaming the immigrants for wanting to come here and be productive.
Its that.. 'they are lazy and don't do anything..' Whilst simultaneously 'taking our jobs'.
What he should have questioned was why immigration hasn't been further spread across th Uk out as its taken a huge strain on our services where immigration has been concentrated.
But he cant blame everything on immigration. Perhaps its his skills and attitude as to why he couldn't get a job. Perhaps its his lack of skills in engineering as to why he cant get a job on the railway. In that case the government should have focused on education.
Its the typical response from a person who has listened to a government that has blamed everyone but themselves on their lack of forthought. For the past 10 years they blamed everything on the EU and immigration and now they have an angry populace. Now the government only have a choice of following through with the now angry voters and ruin the economy or ignore them and make them even more.
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That's not true. I've been called racist for saying things that were not racist. I've also been told by those same people what I "really" think despite it not being what I think at all. Some people are very quick to label anyone who argues with them a racist / misogynist / homophobe whatever. Sometimes it's true. Increasingly often, it's not. Don't pretend it never happens, either way.
He still spoke up. Besides they never went after the older woman for saying how the place was different back then. Again, she spoke up.
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Next you will be saying its political correctness gone mad.
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She spoke up without being horrible to immigrants.
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I don't go on social media apart from here, if you can call it that, but those that I know who seem interminably on their smart phones
seem to be saying vigils are becoming passée and vigilante is becoming more freely mooted as an acceptable response, which
even to a hard Right winger like myself seems a remarkable change in publicly discussed attitudes. Has the centring of the attack on youngsters
hit a deep rooted nerve, or are the quiet masses simply getting restless regardless? Riots seem to favour warm weather, they
never seem to occur when there's snow on the ground. Thinking about the generally heated feelings it is not beyond the imagination
for one more well publicised UK attack to spark some retaliatory bother in the cities. I wonder if the troops are serving a dual role?
seem to be saying vigils are becoming passée and vigilante is becoming more freely mooted as an acceptable response, which
even to a hard Right winger like myself seems a remarkable change in publicly discussed attitudes. Has the centring of the attack on youngsters
hit a deep rooted nerve, or are the quiet masses simply getting restless regardless? Riots seem to favour warm weather, they
never seem to occur when there's snow on the ground. Thinking about the generally heated feelings it is not beyond the imagination
for one more well publicised UK attack to spark some retaliatory bother in the cities. I wonder if the troops are serving a dual role?
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Rooting for some kind of purge?
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Retaliate against who? Ahmed the corner shop owner? Mebbe smash up Mohammeds taxi or burn town the curry house?
Well the suggestion was to lock up everybody who had vsiited certain websites, displayed the isis flags or supported them in comments online. That is going to be a few more than 3000 people.
I picture our 'war on terror' as a battle between Hercules and the Hydra.
At the moment, we're swinging our sword and cutting off heads (arrests, bombings in Syria etc.) but the more we cut the more heads grow.
We need 'Iolaus' to help stop the heads growing back and in our case, I think Iolaus is the Muslim community and countries.
Yes, this guy was not 'Muslim' but at the end of the day it's their faith that is being twisted and they should help stop that.
The Middle East at the moment is a war zone and the Arab nations need to put their petty differences aside and work together to fix this mess.
I fear however that this won't happen as their Ego's are too big and they've all get their own political plans.
We cannot do this alone and violence will never ever solve this. It has to be done peacefully and through talks and negotiations.
The IRA weren't stopped with violence so why do we think ISIS can be?
At the moment, we're swinging our sword and cutting off heads (arrests, bombings in Syria etc.) but the more we cut the more heads grow.
We need 'Iolaus' to help stop the heads growing back and in our case, I think Iolaus is the Muslim community and countries.
Yes, this guy was not 'Muslim' but at the end of the day it's their faith that is being twisted and they should help stop that.
The Middle East at the moment is a war zone and the Arab nations need to put their petty differences aside and work together to fix this mess.
I fear however that this won't happen as their Ego's are too big and they've all get their own political plans.
We cannot do this alone and violence will never ever solve this. It has to be done peacefully and through talks and negotiations.
The IRA weren't stopped with violence so why do we think ISIS can be?
I believe the point being made was that people get labelled as "racist" for things they say that are not about race. And the clip - whether you agree with him or not - supports that. Aaronovitch's immediate response was to start strawmanning the questioner as being "unhappy because some of the faces are Black". Both the chair and another guest immediately called Aaronovitch out for it in the very same clip. The man was accused of being a bigot because of real problems with immigration and unemployment. Immigration seems to lead to an overall increase in GDP. That doesn't mean that it is a consistent benefit in all communities. Raising those concerns doesn't mean someone should be shut down by calling them a racist.
Anyway, I think this has gone too far off-topic for me, so that's probably me done on that tangent. I just wanted to support what was a correct statement.
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The simple answer is the IRAs objectives/demands were not an existential threat to our way of life. I'm not sure the west and IS can ever coexist.
To put things in perspective though. Yes, it's clear their motivation is religious imperialism. However, it's been so unsuccessful they now resort to attacking school girls at a pop concert, rather than extending the caliphate.
You only have to listen to you're average IS member to realise they are at best poorly educated, borne again type religious lemmings, looking for something to give their sorry life a purpose and their ego a sense of self importance. They are Jihadi Johnny-come-latelys, more interested in getting laid and social media than they are about Islam.
Contrast that to the 9/11 attackers, who were typically life long devout Muslims, well educated or from a military/religious background. The attacks were years in the planning, orchestrated by a sophisticated command and control structure.
IS is a rabble. It's no lasting threat to the west. The real fight has already been won. It's highly unlikely there will ever be another attack on the scale of 9/11.
Trump labelling them losers is about the only sensible thing he's ever said.
We only have to continue turning the screw and eventually the nut will crack.
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For that to happen Muslims would have to come together to solve one of the biggest divisions in Islam and that ain't going to happen any time soon.
You mean Mohammed and his friends who went and gave lifts to people after the attack free of charge??????????????
That's the problem. Politics and dialogue is the best tactic for defeating terrorism, history shows us that, but in this case these guys seem to have little to no intention to start dialogue, so we just need to wipe them off the face of the earth.
Just easier said than done