Manchester Bombing *** Please remain respectful and refrain from antagonising posts ***

Chris Wilson said:
I don't go on social media apart from here, if you can call it that, but those that I know who seem interminably on their smart phones
seem to be saying vigils are becoming passée and vigilante is becoming more freely mooted as an acceptable response, which
even to a hard Right winger like myself seems a remarkable change in publicly discussed attitudes. Has the centring of the attack on youngsters
hit a deep rooted nerve, or are the quiet masses simply getting restless regardless? Riots seem to favour warm weather, they
never seem to occur when there's snow on the ground. Thinking about the generally heated feelings it is not beyond the imagination
for one more well publicised UK attack to spark some retaliatory bother in the cities. I wonder if the troops are serving a dual role?
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Its a change in publicly discussed attitudes since the Brexit campaign and people now feeling its okay to voice things like "all muslims should be castrated" and worse. Brexit gave the green light for people to think its okay to racially insult people again in this country. So no surprise after Monday's atrocity that people are vocally crying for blood to be spilled and for all muslims to be killed. If I was a none white muslim living where I do, i wouldnt feel safe leaving the house atm.
 
Robbo said:
A serious, new plan needs to be drawn up by the powers that be. It's near on impossible to stop, but more can be done.
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So if you acknowledge that it's near impossible to stop [fully] and it's the worst attack in 12 years involving a bomb, then what more do you think can be done?

V F said:
7/7. 10 years now. Well, almost.
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12 years, 7/7 was 2005
 
It's all good people saying we need dialog etc but that only works if both sides wish to talk and the simple fact is they don't they just want destruction. It's horrible situation and whilst there is a watch list some maybe innocent and some may not, at some point UK may have to just say enough is enough go back to whatever country your from. Weather there black,white,Muslim etc it makes no difference. Love and standing together can't work forever.

I don't think you get put on these lists just for the sake of it either. If the person in question for this attack was on the list surely he should have been booted back out or not let back in. However if it's said in the media you would just be called racist etc even if there is logic behind not letting him or others in/back in
 
scorza said:
London elected a mayor who is happy to repeatedly share a platform with an Islamic hate cleric, not sure how the people of Manchester feel about that.
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Oh God, not this nonsense again. Sadiq Khan has no links to extremism and Londoners were smart enough to see through the smears during the mayoral election.

Standing on the stage with someone doesn't mean that you share their views. Sadiq Khan "shared a platform" with the EDL and BNP during the mayoral election but no-one is accusing him of being xenophobic.
 
chroniclard said:
Seems unlikely he just said something about Islam. Personally, I have massive contempt for all religion.
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Douglas Murray has been labelled a racist numerous times on The Big Questions for criticising Islam.

I have contempt for all religion also but there's clearly an issue when people speak out about a certain religion and are labelled racist, it achieves nothing and further sweeps problems under the carpet. Then there's those who like to pretend religion and these attacks aren't connected in any way and that they're just the "bad Muslims" who've never practised that faith and the majority of them are peaceful.

In honesty nobody really cares about peaceful Muslims in these situations and ignoring Islam as a potential cause will only worsen problems for the peaceful individuals as extremism continues to grow and more and more moderate Muslims are trapped in communities in fear of speaking out as the threat of doing so will become ever greater.

Someone mentioned Maajid Nawaz a few posts back and what he's doing may seem great but he isn't changing the minds of the radicals and those who aren't integrating, are they going to listen to him or someone from their insular community who they fear or respect.

The further you go on this issue the more you realise it's not something you can just stop happening, it will likely take a number of generations with the right people working on it and hopefully somebody, somewhere has or is coming up with a plan.
 
Mark1989 said:
It's all good people saying we need dialog etc but that only works if both sides wish to talk and the simple fact is they don't they just want destruction. It's horrible situation and whilst there is a watch list some maybe innocent and some may not, at some point UK may have to just say enough is enough go back to whatever country your from. Weather there black,white,Muslim etc it makes no difference. Love and standing together can't work forever.
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This chap was born in the UK...
 
Freakbro said:
That's the problem. Politics and dialogue is the best tactic for defeating terrorism, history shows us that, but in this case these guys seem to have little to no intention to start dialogue, so we just need to wipe them off the face of the earth.

Just easier said than done
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That never happened in WW1 and WW2.
 
Imo it is as so far I don't see the current government plans working. I fully believe it's allot harder to get into this country now compared to decades ago as my grandad is an immigrant and he told me how he got in and the ease of it was just insane.

I just feel for the parents, kids etc any attack is horrible as it is
 
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What exactly does he have on his back here? Radio? Genuinely curious.
 
so this crap is just going to keep happening and getting worse.

where is all this likely to lead to for britain in the long run ?
 
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