Manchester Bombing *** Please remain respectful and refrain from antagonising posts ***

Screeeech said:
I do somewhat agree with the guy.

If you can prove intent of someone making claims of allegiance or support to terrorism, then they should be immediately detained, deported or imprisoned.

The problem for many people, is that it could create a sort of Guantanamo bay on UK soil, where you have a large number of people in 'legal limbo' who haven't been convicted of anything, locked up potentially indefinitely, for having looked at websites or attending certain dodgy mosques or teachings.

However, maybe it's gotten to the point where the public discomfort of performing such action, is outweighed by the risks of not taking real action - the harsh reality of having the blood of 8 year olds splattered across the walls of a pop concert.
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I've been saying this for over a year, the same as the guy in the video you linked, the usual apologists shouted me down, it seems there are a lot more people saying the same now, on here and in all the media, social and others.

Arrest and detain them all.

(I am catching up with the thread.)
 
Droolinggimp said:
According to some, Ariana Grande has offered to pay for the funerals of those killed. If true that is a very nice gesture considering the circumstances. I guess a funeral is not cheap now a days. One less thing for the suffering families to worry about.
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I don't know her or her songs but it's quite obvious she feels somehow responsible and I suppose in a sense she would as it was her concert, yet at the same time if it wasn't hers, it would have been someone else's. Funerals are not cheap and it's a wonderful gesture I'm sure plenty of other people are willing to or have donated towards it too.
 
Arazi said:
I've been saying this for over a year, the same as the guy in the video you linked, the usual apologists shouted me down, it seems there are a lot more people saying the same now, on here and in all the media, social and others.

Arrest and detain them all.

(I am catching up with the thread.)
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Certainly a lot of that kind of sentiment on Facebook even among my normally more open minded friends.
 
Uther said:
It's easy to say don't worry everything's fine when it's not your kids getting blown up.
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Do you also worry about getting struck by lightning, dying by falling out of bed, drowning in a bath, food poisoning, accident with lawn mower?



You need to put the risks in to perspective.
 
Arazi said:
I've been saying this for over a year, the same as the guy in the video you linked, the usual apologists shouted me down, it seems there are a lot more people saying the same now, on here and in all the media, social and others.

Arrest and detain them all.

(I am catching up with the thread.)
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Anybody that is on a terrorist watchlist should not be roaming the streets.
 
Rroff said:
Certainly a lot of that kind of sentiment on Facebook even among my normally more open minded friends.
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Yeah, there is definatley a change in mind set.

I wonder how many high up people in the gov and security services have got their heads in their hands at how this has gotten through, pretty much the whole family are extremists, i wouldnt be surprised if his dad is the bomb builder, and that our security probably already know it and are wondering how they tell the people.
 
D.P. said:
Do you also worry about getting struck by lightning, dying by falling out of bed, drowning in a bath, food poisoning, accident with lawn mower?

You need to put the risks in to perspective.
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I am sure the parents and relatives concerned would appreciate your cool, logical approach. The emotional impact of an event like this is fairly large and to try to belittle it feels a little crass don't you think?
 
I agree there should not be a requirement for hard evidence. If someone is showing the behaviours and intent then that should be enough to do something.

Also if family members etc are aware of what an individual is up to or was up to prior to an attack. They should be jailed as well.
 
Roland Butter said:
After a cursory glance of the last few pages...

OK, but a plan might be handy, you being politicians and all.
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So somehow we're all politicians? I think your train of thought hasn't lasted to the end if your own post Seriously, if one of this guy's failings was an inability to bring critical scrutiny to the false rhetoric of those who preached rightwing xenophobia to him...
 
Just watched the 6 o'clock news, how in the world was this guy missed? He used to hang an IS flag out of his window, the authorities had multiple tip offs and his father is posting extremism online.

What a complete slap in the face for the families. We don't know the full story but it just seems like nobody needed to die. The government need to stop fannying about and get stuck in, or is this just one of too many to track?
 
MookJong said:
Just watched the 6 o'clock news, how in the world was this guy missed? He used to hang an IS flag out of his window, the authorities had multiple tip offs and his father is posting extremism online.

What a complete slap in the face for the families. We don't know the full story but it just seems like nobody needed to die. The government need to stop fannying about and get stuck in, or is this just one of so many?
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From what I can see online compared to the rest of the family he didn't seem particularly a threat - I think as Arazi said above someone like his dad or other actually put this all together and they took advantage of someone who reputedly was quite weak and gullible to actually carry it out. He might not even have known he was going to die - they might have remote detonated it while he thought he was planting the device.
 
Uther said:
Anybody that is on a terrorist watchlist should not be roaming the streets.
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Do you know how many people are on a terror watchlist? Or indeed what you have to do to get onto one? And for that matter do you know how many of them actually move beyond being on a watchlist to attempting or succeeding in any form of action that would involve the security services? I don't but it strikes me that these are all questions worth getting answers to before advocating drastic action. It's probably also worth thinking about the questions of proportionality here and what level of risk is acceptable.

However it's clearly going to be an emotive subject and these aren't necessarily questions that have easy answers.
 
TwsT said:
I don't know her or her songs but it's quite obvious she feels somehow responsible and I suppose in a sense she would as it was her concert, yet at the same time if it wasn't hers, it would have been someone else's. Funerals are not cheap and it's a wonderful gesture I'm sure plenty of other people are willing to or have donated towards it too.
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I guess one of the obvious thoughts she may be having is "if it wasn't for me they wouldn't have been there"
which is really sad, like you i am not familiar with her or her music but she obviously brings joy to a lot of people.
it's that, that the people around her should be trying to get her to cling to in this terrible time.
she is barely an adult herself and offering to pay for the funerals is a very mature and very gracious thing to do, i should imagine parents do not have money saved to pay for their children's funerals.
 
So the father and younger brother arrested by Libyan security forces. Supposedly the younger brother has confessed to knowing about his plans for weeks and had pledged allegiance to Islamic state but this is unconfirmed.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.te...brother-manchester-bomber-arrested-libya/amp/

Also it appears two former friends had reported fears about him 5 years ago to the counter terrorism hotline. Clearly a failing in some part here but can't blame the intelligence services given they're understaffed/funded to counter this threat.
 
MookJong said:
Just watched the 6 o'clock news, how in the world was this guy missed? He used to hang an IS flag out of his window, the authorities had multiple tip offs and his father is posting extremism online.

What a complete slap in the face for the families. We don't know the full story but it just seems like nobody needed to die. The government need to stop fannying about and get stuck in, or is this just one of too many to track?
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Don't worry, the security services are doing a great job. It was all explained by the usual swivel eyed liberal loons on the previous page.
 
semi-pro waster said:
Do you know how many people are on a terror watchlist? Or indeed what you have to do to get onto one? And for that matter do you know how many of them actually move beyond being on a watchlist to attempting or succeeding in any form of action that would involve the security services? I don't but it strikes me that these are all questions worth getting answers to before advocating drastic action. It's probably also worth thinking about the questions of proportionality here and what level of risk is acceptable.

However it's clearly going to be an emotive subject and these aren't necessarily questions that have easy answers.
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This is always a good read on the subject https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2006/03/data_mining_for.html
 
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