Manchester Bombing *** Please remain respectful and refrain from antagonising posts ***

Rroff said:
That is pretty sickening but I've seen it working the other way as well - went to a wedding at one of my relatives Church many years ago and due to the parking situation people were having to park on double yellow and the police or council or someone had ok'd it for worshippers at that Church when they had big gatherings.
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That poster has a story for every occasion.
 
h4rm0ny said:
Bite as often as you wish - I think you're unlikely to change your views in response to anything I say, to be honest. But by answering them I can present a counterpoint to other people. However, beyond pointing out that I never said what you say I said above, I don't feel there's any clarification of my words required. My point was fairly clearly argued, I feel. Re-wording the same thing over and over again would only water it down and allow the forest to be hidden by the trees.



You've done substantially more than "simply come at the suicide angle" which is why I replied. You have taken a very minor item - that someone who has no opportunities might be more likely to end their life - which you have not supported. (Fun fact: suicide rates are higher in richer neighbourhoods than poorer according to Time magazine). You have then applied this minor item in the context of a discussion where it doesn't seem to apply. (This bomber was accepted at university and also employed at the time of the bombing). Then finally and most importantly, have blown it up to equal footing with massively more significant factors such as his parents being Libyan dissidents and his returning and living in Libya which is, since we bombed it to Hell, a factory for terrorists.

The first of those things you did wrong can be attributed to an assumption easily made because it 'seems obvious'. The other two I can only attribute to a pre-existing angle you wish to push.
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Ill concede for now, but he did drop out of uni and working at a bakery is something i consider rather bland.
 
Amp34 said:
How do you know there isn't?

I'm guessing you don't spend much time in the Muslim community so how do you know?



The rational voices in the middle are generally considered "lefties" by those complaining they are being shut down.
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I mean public debate, politicans debating in the commons, debates on things like Question Time, perhaps some BBC specials and some media coverage as to why Muslim who have grown up and lived in the country all of their lives feel the need to kill their countrymen in the name of their religion. If the Qoran condemns it then lets see the relevant quotes plastered all over to try to discourage these nutcases. It's not working to just say "they aren't real Muslims" and to call anyone who questions the motive as being religiously motivated racist to immediately shut down debate.
 
d_brennen said:
Basically the west has been playing at world police and gun shop for the last century or so and now it's come back to bite us.

Honestly think we should leave the middle east to slaughter itself straight at this point. This Islamic problem needs an Islamic solution, anything else will be seen as the big bad west poking it's nose where not wanted, creating more Jihadists.
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I'd be okay with some intervention if it were based on ethics and human rights, rather than pallying up with dictators who have oil and supporting US hegemony. For example, the Kurds are very progressive on women's rights, are fighting to defend their homes (and doing a damn impressive job of it). Supporting the kurds would be the right thing to do in my opinion. Saudi Arabia - chief source of Wahabi Islam and major sponsor of ISIS... not so much.
 
A Muslim community worker has told BBC News that members of the public called the police anti-terrorism hotline warning about the Manchester suicide bomber’s extreme and violent views several years ago.

The BBC also understands that Abedi was in Manchester earlier this year when he told people of the value of dying for a cause and made hardline statements about suicide operations and the conflict in Libya.

The community worker – who did not want to be identified – said two people who knew Salman Abedi at college made separate calls to the police.

They had been worried that “he was supporting terrorism” and had expressed the view that “being a suicide bomber was OK.” The friends had argued with him, telling him he was wrong but had become so concerned they contacted the police.

The community worker told the BBC “all of the publicity is about Muslims not coming forward and this shows that they are coming forward and expressing their concerns.”

The calls are thought to have been made around five years ago after Abedi left school, where he was known to have smoked marijuana and mixed with gangs in south Manchester.

Greater Manchester Police said they would not comment on the claims.
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Interesting development if true so hard to keep tabs on everyone I guess someone going to slip through the net :(
 
TJM said:
That poster has a story for every occasion.
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Yeah and considering the subject of all his stories, you would be surprised to know that his county has one of the lowest percentage of foreigners. Over 95% of people who live in Shropshire are from the UK!

All dem foreigners must live on Chris' road or something. I wonder if he can ask them how to apply for this 'Race Card' he keeps banging on about. I never got mine and the more i keep hearing about it, the more i thin im losing out.
 
Django x2 said:
I can tell you that's simply not true. Some army divisions and police (extended) are the only "forces" currently out even in the GSZ. The critical threat is not because of an impending attack, but because not enough was known about Abedi to know if he received external support. That is the only reason.
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Well again I'm no expert but it isn't what I'm hearing - also the photos going around i.e. on BBC including the ones outside Westminster, etc. seem to show berets from a wide spectrum of regiments not just regular army divisions.
 
Chris Wilson said:
This day there were upwards of two hundred cars all parked along the road, on double yellows. I assumed parking restrictions were lifted and I luckily found a space almost outside of the shop. As I was getting out a copper came over and told me I was on double yellows. I commented that I assumed restrictions were lifted as so many cars were similarly parked. To my disbelief he said they were worshippers at the new Mosque and his bosses had told him to ignore anyone going there and not ticket them. But he was going to ticket me if I didn't immediately move... He was pragmatic and said it was the "new way". I moved home soon after as the rot was obviously set in and one could see that the PC nonsense actually transgressed laws and favoured those who would use the race card to bend the laws of our land. The planning permission for the Mosque had gone ahead despite unbelievable numbers of objections, many based on the lack of parking... So the seeds of discontent get sown.
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Great Story! - Total BS.

We know you're one of those people that seems to have a story relating to every little thing going on in the news (Remember those American women popping in to your local village pub in the middle on nowhere to discuss Trump?)
 
Chris Wilson said:
I used to live in Gatley, a village just up the road from Didsbury. I used to occasionally pop into the Canadian Charcoal Pit for a lamb kebab at lunch time, which is on the same road as the Mosque. The last time I went the Mosque hadn't been open very long. The road has double yellow line parking restrictions along most of its length. This day there were upwards of two hundred cars all parked along the road, on double yellows. I assumed parking restrictions were lifted and I luckily found a space almost outside of the shop. As I was getting out a copper came over and told me I was on double yellows. I commented that I assumed restrictions were lifted as so many cars were similarly parked. To my disbelief he said they were worshippers at the new Mosque and his bosses had told him to ignore anyone going there and not ticket them. But he was going to ticket me if I didn't immediately move... He was pragmatic and said it was the "new way". I moved home soon after as the rot was obviously set in and one could see that the PC nonsense actually transgressed laws and favoured those who would use the race card to bend the laws of our land. The planning permission for the Mosque had gone ahead despite unbelievable numbers of objections, many based on the lack of parking... So the seeds of discontent get sown.
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Chris Wilson. All you do is constantly spread hatred and prejudice. You must live a very sad life.
 
VincentHanna said:
Great Story! - Total BS.

We know you're one of those people that seems to have a story relating to every little thing going on in the news (Remember those American women popping in to your local village pub in the middle on nowhere to discuss Trump?)
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May not be total BS other than being Muslim specific - I know some other religious groups have dispensation for stuff like that.
 
mmj_uk said:
I mean public debate, politicans debating in the commons, debates on things like Question Time, perhaps some BBC specials and some media coverage as to why Muslim who have grown up and lived in the country all of their lives feel the need to kill their countrymen in the name of their religion. If the Qoran condemns it then lets see the relevant quotes plastered all over to try to discourage these nutcases. It's not working to just say "they aren't real Muslims" and to call anyone who questions the motive as being religiously motivated racist to immediately shut down debate.
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There is public debate, there are tv shows (C4 is especially prevelant in making them) and I'm sure this will all be discussed on question time over the next few weeks for example.

I'm not sure what that will achieve in persuading people with that kind of mindset however. Just as the alt right don't believe the mainstream media people like this attacker are unlikely to just change their ways because the BBC told them to. I'm sure they'll have their own select quotes that they will adhere to above all else, much like many religious people (good and bad).
 
h4rm0ny said:
It is those in the most desperate situations who are most likely not to have papers or get confirmation of identity from their governments.
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He seems why the people assessing the application would use other evidence too.

Too many people seem to have weird views on what claiming asylum is like. "Yeah I just pop up on shore, claim asylum and they pop me a passport and blank cheque in the post".
 
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