Manchester Bombing *** Please remain respectful and refrain from antagonising posts ***
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I am genuinely interested in how you expect the 'Muslim community' go about doing this? We aren't just some tiny group of close knit individuals where everyone knows everyone else. The views of these scumbags are alien and diabolical to us just as they are to anyone else in this country. The best we can do is ensure that any form of hate preach is rooted out and reported. I totally agree that it is a problem is certain places, but the vast majority of mosques and masjids rarely go into politics or encourage physical/violent jihad. Every mosque I've ever attended the imams talk about spirituality and being a good Muslim (doing your prayers, taking care of parents, giving charity, avoiding temptation, etc), the same things you'd find in a church.
Even if we all did go to the streets and stage mass protests against Islamic radicalization, do you honestly believe it will achieve anything? These scum want us dead just like any other person in the west. They're slaughtering Muslims abroad like cattle, why would they suddenly listen to the Muslim liberals/moderates in this country? I hate these scum as much as anyone else, but the last time I checked no one else seems to have a clue what to do about it.
You can play the blame game all you want, but you know where that road will eventually lead us down. Either you start accepting mass interment/deportation/genocide of Muslims in the west, or deal with the root cause of these issues, that being our foreign policy. Our interference, destabilization, exploitation of less developed societies has created this mess in the first place.I'm absolutely not making excuses for the actions of these animals, but getting angry and applying school playground logic here is going to do **** all to resolve the problem.
The news is saying that he was reported to the authorities by Muslims and evidently nothing was done about it.
So they have pretty much zero power over a country unless it's in the EU?
Prison issue ISIS training manuals aren't going to radicalise someone who's already an extremist. It's just a waste of money putting someone on an ISIS training course when they're already a terrorist.
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You do realise a lot of Muslims secretly resent the west, it's not all rainbows.
I mean look at those pew surveys that were done, half said they wouldn't report a relative if they found them to be involved with isis. Is anyone here shocked or do I need to link them again?
Would you report your family if they had done something wrong, or would you attempt to solve it within the family first?
Blood is difficult thing to just rat out.
Regardless he was reported several times by others which were all ignored, so it wouldn't matter anyway.
I'm not really sure what you're point is. My point is that Muslims reported the guy, and nothing was done about him.
Some Muslims. The point that people seem to miss is that ISIS WANTS the west to hate Muslims. Their goal is for the west to hate Muslims so much that they do something.
It's all about hate.
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I never said anything is all rainbows. A lot of Muslims resent the west. Well define a lot? No doubt there is a big number. Unsure if its a majority.
All I said was that image looks odd and I stick by that. I wouldn't be surprised if it was a right wing loon wanting to cause more trouble
Putting aside the question of whether Muslims are doing enough. What do you think that "instrument" would actually achieve? Other than making a few aggrieved people feel like something is being done.
Out of interest what did she say?
Potentially something like this?
https://www.google.ca/amp/s/amp.the...lum-seeker-stuck-15-year-limbo-zimbabwe-death
There's different levels. If they had stolen a chocolate bar? Of course not. If they were involved in a terrorist organisation? Of course.
Why would you not? I'd rather be a rat than have blood on my hands because I didn't report them.
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Channel 4 news. Wow, what a bunch of ******* insensitive idiots. You just know that there was much hand-wringing, but I guess they are too right-on to ask that dumb **** in the Burqa to move.
Take off the burka and its probably some fat sweaty mess from EDL called Les.
I was just trying to explain why nothing was done about him, because if they lock him up he automatically gets access to the prison issue jihad manuals and he would have come out 10 times worse.
Prison isn't some psychological intervention or behavioural therapy which stops people wanting to commit atrocities. It's basic incarceration (which fuels hate) as well as ISIS training manuals (which make the terrorist even worse).
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Seriously doubt it, do you guys realistically think the bunch of dudes surrounding him wouldn't see this / call him out?
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It's not just foreign policy though is it? If it were they wouldn't be killing each other in the ME the moment they get the opportunity. And people born and bred in the UK/West wouldn't have a dog in the fight either. No matter how many mental gymnastics you do, the one and only common factor is Islam and how easily it turns pernicious when given the freedom to, like it does in a secular, liberal, western democracy where its dysfunction is excused in the name of tolerance.
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It was a joke, it's blatantly just some tit on a windup.
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You say root cause is foreign policy and then say in the same breath you are not making excuses? What is that if not an excuse? What foreign policy measure legitimises a suicide bombing of a pop concert that targets 8 year old girls? I'm all ears.
There is I sense a complete lack of trust with political leaders and so-called 'community leaders' to deal with this adequately. Perception is everything and the mantras of 'but prevent is spying!' 'But, but foreign policy! Has worn so thin it is transparent. These terrorists don't act in a vacuum, their ideas and language and associates are going to be first noticed by those closest to them. Those who know how dangerous the road they are heading down.
People can of course choose to ignore this and say they did all they could, blame foreign policy, islamophobia, etc, but it just means the perception is they did not a lot. People aren't buying what you're selling.
The measures that people want (and probably will) be implemented will become more Draconian as long as the perception is there that not enough is being done as the attacks inevitably rise. Complaining about Prevent or complaining about foreign policy isn't winning friends or influencing people. The only way to win is to report these people even if it means family members or friends. There's no other solution.
I think you missed post #1797. Apparently he was reported. It didn't solve anything.
In fact it can be argued that reporting it just makes it worse because then they get access to the prison ISIS manuals which teaches them to "take up arms against their enemies".
The only way to win this is to send these people to me, or anyone else who can provide some sort psychological intervention/behavioural therapy, and convince them that killing innocent people will send them to eternal hell. Not some prison which teaches them to "take up arms against their enemies".
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America sold us up the river :/
were on our own now lads!
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-40038630
were on our own now lads!
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-40038630