You were advocating detaining indefinitely without charge, not reporting people. Think you're confusing what i replied to there.
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You were advocating detaining indefinitely without charge, not reporting people. Think you're confusing what i replied to there.
Don't know why anyone's surprised about this.
When Trump sits about & tells the Russians sensitive information & it is out in public, not surprised it's also happened with this too.
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A 5 year old report obviously wasn't strenuous enough. He didn't just wake up an extremist, it'll have been a gradual process day on day. That is noticeable and can be prevented or intervened with by those who are closest to him or flagged up by 'community leaders' who are supposedly attuned to this.
I don't doubt this man had preachings of eternal hellfire and damnation drilled into him from a young age, but your narrative is weaker than 72 virgins and eternal Paradise through martyrdom. Especially to what appears to be a complete loser in life like most of these jihadis.
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Again, you are applying schoolboy logic here. You seem to think these events are all occuring in close succession and directly the result of our foreign policy. What you are seeing in these most recent attacks are the end/fringe outcomes of something that has been happening for a long time and spiralling out of control, with our government and military knee deep in it. Your view of what is happening over there is probably massively sanitised by western propoganda. Also your kneejerk reaction of attempting to accuse me of making 'excuses' by pointing out a legitimate root cause of this situation is just further proof that you have a very naive view of the whole situation.
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It's you that seems to be peddling this myth that its either all or nothing. There are far more shades of grey in between collecting more evidence and locking people up indefinitely.
I can see that Prevent is not a palatable strategy to you. That's your prerogative, but if the perception is not enough is being achieved at a community level then it'll only breed more robust laws and strategies.
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UK foreign policy should not a ready made excuse to be wheeled out when an atrocity like this happens. You even mention 'the blame game' and without a hint of irony proceed to blame UK foreign policy. It's logic like that which is unsettling and warped. Is there any attack you can't pin on UK foreign policy then?
Sitting around the negotiating table with ISIS and agreeing to the destruction of western Judeo-Christian civilization isn't an option. Not bombing ISIS isn't an option. UK foreign policy should not be a hook to hang terrorist atrocities on.
So we have 3000 radical extremists living amongst us as certain people can leave the UK, go and fight for ISIS and then return to the UK with nothing said. Why?
Also, the politicians now have 100's of troops protecting them whilst telling the rest of the us to keep calm, stay united and carry on. Who is protecting me who lives up North?
Also, the politicians now have 100's of troops protecting them whilst telling the rest of the us to keep calm, stay united and carry on. Who is protecting me who lives up North?
Sorry but what are you on about?
I'm not the one suggesting locking people up (and possibly their families) indefinitely. That's the others advocating it - go look back in this thread.
Also where have I said Prevent is not a palatable strategy?
I think you need to go and read past posts and understand what people are actually talking about. Your last few posts don't make any sense.
That said admittedly Prevent is seen with suspicion by many in those communities as its seem a spying on them, and being run by people that don't understand the communities they serve. As an example - https://www.google.ca/amp/s/amp.the...radicalisation-prevent-strategy-a-toxic-brand
To get round these issues many communities have set up their own schemes to help alert community members and police to potential troublesome people.
Your starting premise appears to be that Muslim communities don't want to deal with the issue. That's just not correct.
As has already been pointed out the police/security services had been warned about this particular guy form people within his community. The man arrested a few weeks ago with knives was also caught because police were alerted by his family (I believe).
Edit: yes, it was his family https://www.google.ca/amp/www.teleg...e-westminster-arrest-man-backpack-knives/amp/
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Well your link says they dump them on the street in he UK indefinite leave to remain but no right to work. (So basically we make a criminal)
The other option is indefinite detention although the longest that's been done is 41 months.
Which a judge signed off on.
Well obviously, we get far more. Iirc more than 15 other EU countries combined. We get 25k + a year Portugal etc gets about 1-2k.
Also we refuse a lot of claims but we hardly deport anyone
So not citizenship or proper right to remain?
It's not ideal, but what else can you do?
http://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statis...(thousands_of_first_time_applicants)_YB17.png
Well considering Portugal has a much smaller population and economy it seems only right we get more refugees and asylum seekers. Compared to similar/equivalent countries we certainly don't compare.
That doesn't negate the fact we are one of the harshest in asylum applications either.
I also don't think many will argue against deporting more asylum seekers with failed applications and appeals.
Rightly so. I'd imagine there would be contingency but think of the disruption a coordinated attack on multiple high level MP would cause.
Anyway I thought you Northern lot were supposed to be hard. All those years of calling southerners soft..
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You must be an estate agent's dream, a chap who can't recognise a ****hole area even when living near it
I lived for over 40 years in Gatley, and it's now become a dump.
I guess when children die or are killed by our government (and others) in the 10's to 100,000's in places like Iraq, I'd find it difficult to write what you have above, perhaps it's because one of the earliest images of that war I saw, was of a father holding a dead 8 year old with missing limbs!
But please spout off about the Importance of Judo/Christian "Civilisation" that seemingly decide these wars, just remember that a million UK citizens marched on parliament to protest just one of them!
For the record, in my eyes, no war or action by government(s) or religion, is likely ever to be a reasonable justification for attacking children at a concert, or carpet bombing a region full of them for that matter!
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Great, you now you are just putting words into my mouth. When did I say Isis should not be exterminated? Also I do not care about who is to blame, this is simply something you are bringing up continuously. It is simply a matter of fact that Isis was created from the chaos and power vacuum left behind after the Iraq and Afghanistan wars. There is no blaming going on. I'm just pointing out the root cause. Killing innocents like what has happened in the UK cannot under any circumstance be legitimised, but that doesn't mean you can't point out how it came about in the first place.
In case anyone missed it, as I did first time around, the o in love is a hand grenade, the v looks like a knife and the e some sort of assault rifle. Can't tell what the l is.Channel 4 news. Wow, what a bunch of ******* insensitive idiots. You just know that there was much hand-wringing, but I guess they are too right-on to ask that dumb **** in the Burqa to move.
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