Mantle Feedback/Bugs

LtMatt · 3 Feb 2014 at 20:11

BF4 Mantle Multi Player bench

3770K @ 290X - Big gains

Richeh · 3 Feb 2014 at 20:14

LtMatt said:
Of course it will.

I assume your speculating again?

I've tried to keep out of the thread as it seems you can't say anything negative about Mantle without people quoting 'Beta' at you over and over. As the fact the 7xxx series was not going to be supported/fully optimised was announced 3? days before the driver was released as a user who bought BF4 on release I was quite eager to get my hands on it to much disappointment, I don't really care if its AMD or DICE, they're supposed to be working together so the blame lays on both of them however Mantles known issues are pretty massive and more akin to an Alpha.

I've come to the conclusion people are easily pleased! It wasn't a 'free' performance boost for me as I bought AMD cards for BF4 when upgrading due to the prospect of Mantle. And if the final version is not going to be out until the end of the year when DICE are well into making their next game it just seems plain wrong to me to advertise BF4/Mantle unless it was advertised as BF4/Mantle Beta - most cards not supported correctly for the first 4 months of the games release at least? and I just missed it?

pgi947 · 3 Feb 2014 at 20:19

Shows what damage keeping a 4770k will do at stock tbh, would prefer these results with a healthy cpu clock, I'm near matching those mantle frame rates with an underclocked 780.

I know I know mantle is all about taking strain from the cpu away, but why on earth someone would buy a k or x chip and run it stock in a high end title is beyond me.

Doco · 3 Feb 2014 at 20:22

I'm half tempted to get BF4 just so I can bench

lol

thefogo · 3 Feb 2014 at 20:24

Does FRAPS work in BF4 yet?

LtMatt · 3 Feb 2014 at 20:26

Richeh said:
I assume your speculating again?

I've tried to keep out of the thread as it seems you can't say anything negative about Mantle without people quoting 'Beta' at you over and over. As the fact the 7xxx series was not going to be supported/fully optimised was announced 3? days before the driver was released as a user who bought BF4 on release I was quite eager to get my hands on it to much disappointment, I don't really care if its AMD or DICE, they're supposed to be working together so the blame lays on both of them however Mantles known issues are pretty massive and more akin to an Alpha.

I've come to the conclusion people are easily pleased! It wasn't a 'free' performance boost for me as I bought AMD cards for BF4 when upgrading due to the prospect of Mantle. And if the final version is not going to be out until the end of the year when DICE are well into making their next game it just seems plain wrong to me to advertise BF4/Mantle unless it was advertised as BF4/Mantle Beta - most cards not supported correctly for the first 4 months of the games release at least? and I just missed it?

Not speculating. Its called reading the release notes and known issues. You should definitely try it mate. When 7970/7950's were being sold, pretty sure Mantle was not marked as a feature so its definitely free for you. You should be able to use DX11 fine, you'll just have to wait a week or so before you get similar optimisations to what us 290 owners get.

pgi947 said:
Shows what damage keeping a 4770k will do at stock tbh, would prefer these results with a healthy cpu clock, I'm near matching those mantle frame rates with an underclocked 780.

I know I know mantle is all about taking strain from the cpu away, but why on earth someone would buy a k or x chip and run it stock in a high end title is beyond me.

You're dreaming if you think a cpu overclock will narrow the difference between mantle and dx11 mate. I added a 18% overclock to single player in DX and it added 3.5% more fps. You'd expect more in multiplayer for sure, but it won't be near 37% i can promise you that. These are single card fps remember. Any overclock you add to DX, will also effect Mantle. Maybe not as much, but it will increase mantle fps.

Doco said:
I'm half tempted to get BF4 just so I can bench lol

It would be rude not to Doco. Just remember 7xxx series cards are not fully optimised yet.

thefogo said:
Does FRAPS work in BF4 yet?

Works fine for DX, does not work with Mantle.

Doco · 3 Feb 2014 at 20:30

- aye yet* something to look forward too

although I'd have to pick it up dirt cheap lol

thefogo · 3 Feb 2014 at 20:30

LtMatt said:
Works fine for DX, does not work with Mantle.

I just gave it a go. BF4 stops responding if FRAPS is open

LtMatt · 3 Feb 2014 at 20:31

thefogo said:
I just gave it a go. BF4 stops responding if FRAPS is open

Shut down afterburner/precision x overlay first. I believe fraps interferes. If it still doesn't work might be a Nvidia issue as it works ok for AMD under DX only. Mantle it crashes the game.

thefogo · 3 Feb 2014 at 20:35

LtMatt said:
Shut down afterburner/precision x overlay first. I believe fraps interferes. If it still doesn't work might be a Nvidia issue as it works ok for AMD under DX only. Mantle it crashes the game.

Cheers, that seems to have solved that problem. Now I get "Game disconnected: client closed down connection." :rolleyes:

I remember now why I stopped playing this game

LtMatt · 3 Feb 2014 at 20:38

thefogo said:
Cheers, that seems to have solved that problem. Now I get "Game disconnected: client closed down connection."
I remember now why I stopped playing this game

Could well be the queueing bug.

Try to join a server that has no one in the que and had slots free.

Sgt_Pepper · 3 Feb 2014 at 20:40

pgi947 said:
But why on earth someone would buy a k or x chip and run it stock in a high end title is beyond me.

Guilty

thefogo · 3 Feb 2014 at 20:41

LtMatt said:
Could well be the queueing bug.

Try to join a server that has no one in the que and had slots free.

No luck

Since they patched it around a month ago I've had so much trouble joining servers.
Strangely enough that's about when I went to the green team :eek:

Besty · 3 Feb 2014 at 20:42

This is why people like myself get cynical. Doing a benchmark under Windows 7 is really not helpful. We know Windows 7 is not optimal for BF4 and you get a boost under 8.1. Win7 is 5 years old.

Why no Windows 8.1 vs Mantle? Sorry but I can't be anything but cynical at this point with comparisons like the one above.

Come on techreport, you are the only hope!

setter · 3 Feb 2014 at 20:44

LtMatt said:
Could well be the queueing bug.

Try to join a server that has no one in the que and had slots free.

Had this issue even on servers with plenty of free slots. Found this fix on another forum. Open the following ports for your router.

TCP: 80, 443, 9988, 20000-20100, 22990, 17502, 42127 UDP: 3659, 14000-14016, 22990-23006, 25200-25300 and than it suddenly loaded :smileywink: have fun!

Seems to have worked a treat, previously took 5-6 attempts to join a server. Now im in at the first go everytime.

DamnedLife · 3 Feb 2014 at 20:48

BF4 started to crash on me with Mantle, Dx fine; but with Mantle when I get in the test range or any server, it loads the game fine, then I deploy and after 5 to 10 seconds screen goes white a.k.a. unresponsive and I have to Ctrl+Alt+Del and end BF4 task, and if I don't deploy nothing unexpected happens, so that I can change settings, key maps etc. as long as I do not deploy it just runs fine. Anyone get something like this or know how to fix?

Duke · 3 Feb 2014 at 20:53

BF4 has started to crash with this driver, was fine before

pgi947 · 3 Feb 2014 at 20:55

LtMatt said:
You're dreaming if you think a cpu overclock will narrow the difference between mantle and dx11 mate. I added a 18% overclock to single player in DX and it added 3.5% more fps. You'd expect more in multiplayer for sure, but it won't be near 37% i can promise you that. These are single card fps remember. Any overclock you add to DX, will also effect Mantle. Maybe not as much, but it will increase mantle fps.

Their testing must be a little skewed or something in that case, Shanghai, 64 player (at least 95% populated) 1920x1080 full ultra with 4770K at 4.6ghz Single GTX780 @ 1006/6000 around 15 mins testing:

Frames, Time (ms), Min, Max, Avg
77770, 904468, 58, 113, 85.984

If I get chance I will re run with CPU at stock and see what differences I get.

Kerazee · 3 Feb 2014 at 20:56

Duke said:
BF4 has started to crash with this driver, was fine before

I am getting the following crash when launching now, was 100% stable before, now after a clean driver install just crashing:

Problem signature:
Problem Event Name: APPCRASH
Application Name: bf4.exe
Application Version: 1.1.0.0
Application Timestamp: 52e6656f
Fault Module Name: dxgi.dll
Fault Module Version: 6.2.9200.16492
Fault Module Timestamp: 50f30fbd
Exception Code: c0000005
Exception Offset: 000000000002b303
OS Version: 6.1.7601.2.1.0.256.1
Locale ID: 2057
Additional Information 1: 1555
Additional Information 2: 15551ee83411f1debf0916280cbdd10f
Additional Information 3: f1f7
Additional Information 4: f1f7a5fa223c0787587a5a6ffc92eee2

Looks like a DX issue but I cant even get into game to change the render model

setter · 3 Feb 2014 at 21:01

pgi947 said:
Their testing must be a little skewed or something in that case, Shanghai, 64 player (at least 95% populated) 1920x1080 full ultra with 4770K at 4.6ghz Single GTX780 @ 1006/6000 around 15 mins testing:

Frames, Time (ms), Min, Max, Avg
77770, 904468, 58, 113, 85.984

If I get chance I will re run with CPU at stock and see what differences I get.

Almost identical to what i last got on shanghai. i7 4770k @4.5ghz, ram @2600mhz 1T, gtx 780 boosting to 1097mhz at stock. Ill do another as the last run was pre last weeks patch. Game runs so much better after it.

Old run.
Frames, Time (ms), Min, Max, Avg
50382, 600000, 46, 144, 83.970

Minimum probably down to one of the crazy high spikes i was getting.