Marcus Rashford

Caracus2k said:
The problem is to ensure that they don't in the longer run encourage destructive behaviour that actually makes things worse (for example by encouraging more people to neglect their kids by choosing to not feed or clothe them properly because the state will do it for them).
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Yes, let's encourage the State to neglect them for us. :rolleyes:

Well done Marcus, thank goodness we have devolved goverments in Scotland & Wales that had already made the commitment without the need for a celebrity to shame them into it.
 
Stumble Bum said:
Never implied it was. But how are there parents to 1.3 million children that can't afford to feed their kids.... Answer.... There isn't, this is a good cause for those that really need it but good luck convincing me that 1.3 million kids are in need of this.

Benefit street.
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Maybe you should come visit my missus's school in one of the most deprived areas in the country. Drug, alcohol, crime and prostitution are a part of daily life for the parents. She's been to houses where the whole family has one mattress in a room and a slice of mouldy bread to share as a meal or places where the parents are too smacked off their tree to care. During lockdown, she was out going door to door, hand delivering the vouchers as a lot don't have access to the internet or speak English and she wanted to make sure the kids could still be fed. She spent a day last week waiting around for the police and social services in a parents house as the mum was spotted off her face wandering the streets in the morning and didn't know where her kids were. That's just one school in one area!
 
Street said:
Maybe you should come visit my missus's school in one of the most deprived areas in the country. Drug, alcohol, crime and prostitution are a part of daily life for the parents. She's been to houses where the whole family has one mattress in a room and a slice of mouldy bread to share as a meal or places where the parents are too smacked off their tree to care. During lockdown, she was out going door to door, hand delivering the vouchers as a lot don't have access to the internet or speak English and she wanted to make sure the kids could still be fed. She spent a day last week waiting around for the police and social services in a parents house as the mum was spotted off her face wandering the streets in the morning and didn't know where her kids were. That's just one school in one area!
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Sounds highly familiar to me with the gfs school.. It does annoy me though that some of these people will never have been a good candidate for parenthood yet there are no restrictions on it and it's the kids that suffer.
She has one woman who has 7 kids in the school. To 5 blokes. Every single kid has been taken off her as she's a smack rat and is constantly off her face. She's pregnant again.

She's also got multiple kids who are looked after by their great grandparents because even their grandparents are too feckless, nevermind their own parents. Again absolutely not the kids fault but why do we continue to let anyone bring kids in to the world in these situations?!
 
Don't know what to think about this story... On the one hand it seems like a really good thing to do to ensure poor kids don't go hungry due to the impact of the pandemic, and it's nice to see a footballer trying to do something positive with their influence. On the other hand it's just utterly depressing that this is how policies are made, and that no one in government thought this was a worthwhile idea (and actually argued against it) before the media started piling on all this pressure based on what some random guy that happens to be good at kicking balls around said.

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You're an MP, one of the top names in the government, a government who have been made to look like utter ********* by a significantly more statesmanlike 22 year old professional footballer, you're on a breakfast show to try and make it seem like you were always going down this path and that, maybe, you're not ********* and you're not entirely cut off from from the world of the common man.

And you fail to even prepare yourself well enough to learn the guy's name :rolleyes:

Enter Matt "only 36 dead today" Hancock:
 
Greebo said:
But it would cost you more in administration to figure all that out than just paying it to everybody.

Same with the furlough/covid support. I know a guy who has 8 high end furniture shops in London and surrounding areas. He got 8 x £25k plus furlough for all his staff and a suspension of rent on all his properties and admitted the shops were really just showrooms for people to browse and then during shutdown his online orders went through the rough so he is rolling in it. A free £200k, hardly any outgoings, most of his staff wages covered and he has seen his sales increase by 1000%. Should he have been excluded from the furlough/rates/retail grant schemes? Probably, he would have still been better off than before covid. Does that mean the whole furlough/grant scheme was wrong? Of course not.
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You're really just proving my point that the tax payer is funding a lot of people who do not need support. This is a huge problem, this is taking money out of people's pockets and giving it to people who don't need the support. This is why I'm opposed to big government, governments can't be efficient with their spending, they will always waste money and they can't really go bankrupt, so there's no price to failure.
 
Yes it's quite depressing that the government didn't think this would be a good thing to do before all the bad press.
I'm sure all the people complaining about it handed their child benefits back because they didn't need them and think the government shouldn't help hungry children right?
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Roar87 said:
You're really just proving my point that the tax payer is funding a lot of people who do not need support. This is a huge problem, this is taking money out of people's pockets and giving it to people who don't need the support. This is why I'm opposed to big government, governments can't be efficient with their spending, they will always waste money and they can't really go bankrupt, so there's no price to failure.
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That we should should not give meals to 10 kids who need one, just so that we don't give a free dinner to one kid who doesn't, is not a morally defensible position.
 
Doobedoo said:
“Dear @MarcusRashford,” Hopkins tweeted. “Do you think women should think about how they are going to feed a child before they decide to have it? I do not want to pay to feed other people’s kids. You are welcome to. Thank you, Katie Hopkins.”

I know totally different right?
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She's right though. If I wanted to pay for children to eat, I'd have children.
 
cheesyboy said:
That we should should not give meals to 10 kids who need one, just so that we don't give a free dinner to one kid who doesn't, is not a morally defensible position.
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Your numbers are off there though cheesyboy, there aren't 10 kids who need a meal and 1 who doesn't, it's more likely that 10% of parents taking up the scheme physically can't afford to go out and buy their child a meal, not 90%. How poor do you think people are? If 90% of parents requiring these meals couldn't afford to feed their children there'd be mass riots and civil unrest over it.
 
C.R.A.Z.Y said:
This story has made me aware of what a top top fella Marcus is, not only has he spearheaded this amazing achievement but in his short time he has also:

Raised £20 million to help supply 3 million meals to children
Began a campaign to help homeless people
Learned sign language to judge a poetry event in a deaf school

I was totally unaware of all the excellent work he does in his spare time, the media need to also report when young people do amazing things like this and not just when they act like immature numpties
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Part and parcel of playing for the best club in the world.
 
cheesyboy said:
You're an MP, one of the top names in the government, a government who have been made to look like utter ********* by a significantly more statesmanlike 22 year old professional footballer, you're on a breakfast show to try and make it seem like you were always going down this path and that, maybe, you're not ********* and you're not entirely cut off from from the world of the common man.

And you fail to even prepare yourself well enough to learn the guy's name :rolleyes:

Enter Matt "only 36 dead today" Hancock:
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He is the worst - Cannot stand him - Was really surprised he got his Health position back after his previous handling of the NHS.
 
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