Matrix Reloaded - Discuss [WARNING SPOILER]

cyKey · 24 May 2003 at 15:45

I must be the only one who thinks this film is brilliant. The fight scenes weren't too long at all. I loved the bullet time effects during the fight with Smiths. It had such tension to it. When it slowed down, you knew Neo was going to hit him, its just creating a moment of tension, of anticipation. I loved it. Its like licking your lips before you eat a doughnut. You can see how sweet the next few moments are going to be, so savour them.

Peeps do realise that the story was written before the 1st came out right? Its not a tacked on sequel, the Matrix is a trilogy. The Watchowski bros also said they designed prequels and it could easily go either way, hence the Animatrix.

The whole sex/rave scene I felt worked well upon a 2nd viewing. It showed the passion of the dancers, the heat, the sweat and intermixed it with Neo & Trinity's sex scene to emphasie their passion and heat. It was needed to remind people that they are in love. Without it everyone would be complaining about the ending, saying "I just didn't feel that Neo loved Trinity".

I can honestly say I've never seen a more amazing film. Ep2 was cool, and I loved it. Reloaded really just shocked me. I knew it would be good, be holy pringles batman, it was incredible.

The car chase scene, again was not too long at all. I loved it. I was like "OMG OMG OMG OMG" thru it all, I didn't have a chance to catch my breath and go "how long was that?" I watched a documentary which said exactly that. By the end the audience is meant to be exhausted. I know i was

Like Link said "I can't take it".

Hiroki · 24 May 2003 at 15:47

moonpie the fact that you have not sat down and thought about the meanings behind this film is the exact reason you didnt enjoy it, simply put you did not understand the plot. the only thing in the whole film that i think was unecessary was the rave part but then that was a tribute to aaliyah (apparently) so it can b forgiven. the rest i think was all pretty necessary because i found that each and every scene held some significant meaning to the philosophy of the matrix. (which is in fact just borrowed philosphy from histories greats but mixed together in what the wachoswki's believe in...)

hiroki

cyKey · 24 May 2003 at 15:50

Originally posted by jailbird
...but the quick one-liners ['Okay, you have some skill.'] and the action bits far outweighed them.

A thing to note about that bit. The Merovinge guy tells Neo that his predocessors had more respect. Now does that mean that the same events play out each time theres a new matrix? Does the One have to go find the keymaker from the Merovinge each time? Or maybe its just that he met them through some other means... Intresting none the less.

cyKey · 24 May 2003 at 15:52

Originally posted by Hiroki
moonpie the fact that you have not sat down and thought about the meanings behind this film is the exact reason you didnt enjoy it, simply put you did not understand the plot. the only thing in the whole film that i think was unecessary was the rave part but then that was a tribute to aaliyah (apparently) so it can b forgiven. the rest i think was all pretty necessary because i found that each and every scene held some significant meaning to the philosophy of the matrix. (which is in fact just borrowed philosphy from histories greats but mixed together in what the wachoswki's believe in...)

hiroki

Yer exactly. Thats one of the reasons why I love it so much. Its so rich and deep, like the chocolate cake

They didn't just rip off ideas, they put probably everything they knew about philosophy into it. They took references from sooooo many things and put it in there. Its like Babylon 5 a bit, with the references to Lord of the Rings, and to many other things. Thats why I love it so much. These guys know their stuff, they really have talent.

Garp · 24 May 2003 at 15:56

Originally posted by jailbird
1) When they are in the French restaurant and the lady is eating the chocolate cake, she turns into matrixy code and the camera goes between her legs. Is that 'explosion' between her legs what I think it is?

Aye... I reckon so

2) When the operator of Morpheus' ship (Link, I think) opens the door to his 'house' in Zion, does he say what I think he says?

Oh yeah

That got a big laugh from the audience at my showing.

3) What mountains is Neo in when Link tells him he's in the mountains? [just out of curiosity ]

Thats a toughie... it's set in America, but in some generic city. That makes it hard to pin point where the mountains are, they're just referred to as being 500 miles.
There are plenty of mountain type ranges around America, the most prominent of which are the Rockies.

but the quick one-liners ['Okay, you have some skill.'] and the action bits far outweighed them.

"We're beginning to get a little.."
"... frustrated"

Moonpie2 · 24 May 2003 at 15:57

I understood the film completely. I'm not a thickie you know

But I thought the (rather avarage) story could have been told so much better.
Basically without being up its own arse.
(Am I allowed to say that on here ??)

Still......... Just an opinion. There's no right or wrong.

syphonz · 24 May 2003 at 15:59

so what other versions of the matrix is there?

animatrix what else where can i see these argh!!! im on 56k ATM

ADSL back on SOON i hope Downloading time

Hiroki · 24 May 2003 at 16:01

hhhmmm cykey that is a good point about Merovinge, he implies that he has met the other 5 ones, and i am pretty sure that they would have all had to have gone through the process of getting the keymaker. but then they say that the keymaker is an obsolete program and that he is exiled and must be destroyed. but yet clearly he still has a purpose as the machines want the one to get to the core.

This leads me to believe that there must definetly be hierarchy to the machines and that their are only a few that understand about the one occuring and that he is supposed to reach the core. the rest seem to have the wool pulled over their eyes.

I also enjoyed the way that there is the strong sense that there are inescapable occurances that occur which no matter what you do will always happen. like trinity falling and dying. but then neo saving her really does resemble that he has finally broken the cycle and that he is no longer under the "semi-control" of the machines as the 5 predecessors seem to have been.

hiroki

Moonpie2 · 24 May 2003 at 16:03

Originally posted by cyKey
they put probably everything they knew about philosophy into it.

Another of its probems.
Trying to be too clever. Like a 1st year film student wanted to show his teacher just how clever he was.

I wanted to see an action/adventure film, not a lecture

Hiroki · 24 May 2003 at 16:04

well moonpie if you understood it completely then surely you would appreciate the philosophy of this film. After what cypher said in the first film about "ignorance is bliss", i find it ironic that in the case of this second film, ignorance is most definetly not bliss...

hiroki

Chopper · 24 May 2003 at 16:37

Originally posted by jailbird
I haven't read all of the above 8 pages completely, so I hope no-one has asked/answered these questions yet:

1) When they are in the French restaurant and the lady is eating the chocolate cake, she turns into matrixy code and the camera goes between her legs. Is that 'explosion' between her legs what I think it is?

2) When the operator of Morpheus' ship (Link, I think) opens the door to his 'house' in Zion, does he say what I think he says?

3) What mountains is Neo in when Link tells him he's in the mountains? [just out of curiosity ]

complicated, ununderstandable bits were a bit unneccessary, and all the scenes were drawn out a bit too long, but the quick one-liners ['Okay, you have some skill.'] and the action bits far outweighed them.

yup i thought the exact same thing about the chocolate cake and it got a quality laugh where i was too, i cant remember the second one wot did he say when he walked in?

cyKey · 24 May 2003 at 16:54

Originally posted by Hiroki
I also enjoyed the way that there is the strong sense that there are inescapable occurances that occur which no matter what you do will always happen. like trinity falling and dying. but then neo saving her really does resemble that he has finally broken the cycle and that he is no longer under the "semi-control" of the machines as the 5 predecessors seem to have been.

hiroki

"You've already made the choice, you just don't understand it yet" - The Oracle.

Saying to Neo that he can't see past the choices he doesn't yet understand.

Neo - "But what if i fail?"

Oracle - "Then Zion will fall"

Also intresting, as either way Zion will fall. But then "...she only tells you what you need to hear". Will Zion fall or is it just the Oracle helping Neo on his path?

Waz · 24 May 2003 at 16:55

Originally posted by cyKey
I can honestly say I've never seen a more amazing film. Ep2 was cool, and I loved it. Reloaded really just shocked me. I knew it would be good, be holy pringles batman, it was incredible.

That's my take on the film as well. I went to see it expecting so much, and I wasn't dissapointed. In fact I was blown away.

cyKey · 24 May 2003 at 16:55

Originally posted by Chopper
yup i thought the exact same thing about the chocolate cake and it got a quality laugh where i was too, i cant remember the second one wot did he say when he walked in?

"Wheres my pus...", i'm asuming for the kids he was planning on saying "Pussy cat"

Chopper · 24 May 2003 at 17:03

hehe lol, must have been concentrating too much, quite a few cheeky dirty ones in there this time!

Garp · 24 May 2003 at 17:08

Originally posted by Moonpie2
Another of its probems.
Trying to be too clever. Like a 1st year film student wanted to show his teacher just how clever he was.
I wanted to see an action/adventure film, not a lecture

As said previously, if you want to go see an action/adventure film, don't bother going to see the Matrix. There has been so much talk about the philosphy etc.etc., and about how much knowledge of philosophy the Wachiaowski brothers have, it was obvious it was going to get deeper still.
They still claim that there is more hidden truths in the first film that people haven't sussed out yet.

Hiroki · 24 May 2003 at 17:08

personally i feel that the oracle thinks that his destiny is to be like any of the other 5 "ones" and just go and pick anohter 23 to go to zion etc etc. but neo is breaking free of his destiny and controlling his own fate at the end, emphasised by his choice of the second door, him saving trinity and also his realisation that zion is actually still in the matrix..

hiroki

Hiroki · 24 May 2003 at 17:10

hhhmmm garp that doesnt suprise me that there are many hidden truths. i think it would be interesting if after they release revolutions they either write a book, or maybe make a documentry or something about their take on the philosophical meanings of many parts of the film and to maybe show us a few of those meanings we havent sussed out yet..

hiroki

cyKey · 24 May 2003 at 17:15

Heres an intresting thing. If they function of The One is to rejoin the source, why even offer him a choice? Surely it would be logical to just have one door and to force him to go thru it, thus saving the matrix from crashing. Maybe it was all to make people belive they did have free choice, that they are indeed free off the matrix. This might explain why the machines essentially threaten them, to make sure they make the right choice.

Maybe your right Hiroki, maybe Neo is actually the only free one, now that he chose not to go to the source.

Side note: Matrix 1. I just got it. When the Oracle tells Neo he's not the One, shes right. At that point in time he isn't the one. He's got "the gift", but he isn't the one yet. She also tells him "maybe your waiting for something, your next life maybe", which is exactly that. He dies, the comes back to life, and he's then the one. She knew all that would happen.

daz · 24 May 2003 at 17:17

I only realised about the part of the pink woman who eats the cake the second time i watched the film!

The Merovingian gives her the cake, making her feel "in the mood". She then makes an exit to the ladies room, at which point the Merovingian says that he too needs the toilet...

"Cause and effect. I have drunk too much wine, now i need to ****"

Later when Persephone (Monica Belucci) shoots one of the vampires and tells the other to go and tell her husband what she has done, she says "you will find him in the ladies room"

When Persephone meets up with the Merovingian in the Chateau scene, she says "She wasn't kissing you on the lips, darling". :eek:

The Merovingian had planned it all to get off with the sexy pink cake lady!

Matrix Reloaded - Discuss *[WARNING SPOILER]*

Matrix Reloaded - Discuss [WARNING SPOILER]