Matrix Reloaded - Discuss *[WARNING SPOILER]*

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Originally posted by Vai
Also, how do we know that the Architect wasn’t just telling Neo what he needed to hear (like the Oracle did) and that him choosing to save Trinity was what the machines wanted him to do?

By the way, was the annoying kid the one in the animatrix who jumped out of the school building window, 'died' and left the matrix?
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I don't believe the machines lie. The Oracle didn't so its possible the Architect didn't either.

Anyone know tho, why does the building blow up?

Oh and that is the kid from animatrix.
 
Originally posted by Garp
The key was to the mainframe. If they got into the mainframe, they could shut down Zions defences from the outside, they could do a lot of damage to Zion.
Obviously machines aren't intuitive enough to be able to hack into a network, like the humans can hack into theirs.
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Ta for clearing that up :)
 
Originally posted by Dj_Jestar
The Oracle told Neo he was not the one in the first movie :)
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SHe was telling the truth. At that point in time he wasn't the one. The one is like being in love, u can't be told ur the one you have to know it and feel it for yourself. The Oracle helps Neo on that road. She also tells him he'll be the one in his next life. In so many words :D
 
I don't think being the one or not is the issue to not being allowed to live. They are trying to access Zion - why? Cos they didnt' kill them in the first place - if they killed all of the .1% as and when they wake up. they wouldn't be in this mess.

It's a fantastic idea, I have to say - but to me it's lacking a base, and maybe that is the point. It's futility. We are trapped in a futile existence (the matrix for want of a better word). The machines are trapped in theirs. Their only reason to exist is to find anomolies, fight them etc. It is their equivalent of office work. (Although I do not think the programs and the machines are the same thing - it's possible they are just machine programmers, that are bored with their jobs).

That may imply a 2nd matrix, but not for neo, but for the machine that run the first matrix. That is why they "allow" Neo and the others to survive, to keep the machines having something to do..
 
Originally posted by azaniah
I don't think being the one or not is the issue to not being allowed to live. They are trying to access Zion - why? Cos they didnt' kill them in the first place - if they killed all of the .1% as and when they wake up. they wouldn't be in this mess.

It's a fantastic idea, I have to say - but to me it's lacking a base, and maybe that is the point. It's futility. We are trapped in a futile existence (the matrix for want of a better word). The machines are trapped in theirs. Their only reason to exist is to find anomolies, fight them etc. It is their equivalent of office work. (Although I do not think the programs and the machines are the same thing - it's possible they are just machine programmers, that are bored with their jobs).

That may imply a 2nd matrix, but not for neo, but for the machine that run the first matrix. That is why they "allow" Neo and the others to survive, to keep the machines having something to do..
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They allow them to exist so that when Neo rejoins the source they can add his anomoilies to the code so to speak. They analyse why he's so weird then patch it. Therefore making it less likely another Neo will appear each time the matrix is reloaded.
 
Originally posted by Dj_Jestar
I believe it was the end of the 314 second window (or however long it was) before the power came back on and therefore the omb blew.
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I was thinking that, but, Trinity shut down the auto start systems, and the power station had blown up. Maybe they've got a back up of a backup.
 
I have just had a thought..

I do not think it is coincidence that both Bane and Neo are in a coma.

I also don't think that it is coincidence that they were both 'touched' by Smith, and that these coma's were both brought on by EMP's :)
 
Originally posted by Dj_Jestar
On a side note, with a little humor...

Just before the Architect turned round to reveal himself, my mate said 'I bet it's Bill Gates!!!!!'

LOL :D
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Hehe, if that was true, all the screens behind would have bluescreened :D
 
Originally posted by daz
Why do you say that?
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Well for one, the Nephilim were not antedeluvian in the sense that they were part of the earth that was destroyed. They are basically fallen angels or demons if you like (Gen 6:4), which would make them from a completely different realm. (Subtle but different).

There are other things but my main beef is the implication that the machines do not have free-will. Why not? Where is the implication of that in the film. Also, angels do have free-will (to contradict that point - ie Satan rebelling and wanting to be as God).

If their is no free will, then it would imply that not only can they not choose to kill us of, but they can neither choose to enslave us. Nor do pretty much anything else they appear to do in the films.

Plus on a deeper level, any manipulation of Neo to make him choose implies that ability of choice (ie we choose to manipulate Neo, to make a choice).
 
Originally posted by Dj_Jestar
The Oracle told Neo he was not the one in the first movie :)
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She told him he had all the signs but appeared to be waiting for something:

Neo: Like what?
Oracle: I don't know, your next life maybe?
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As she commented, "Being the one is a lot like being in love. No one can tell you what it feels like, you just know it, balls to bones"
You can be told anything, you might even believe it, but there is a difference between intellectually believing it, and believing it instinctively.

As Neo then went on to say "It's funny, Morpheous, he almost had me convinced." That was the key. Almost
 
Originally posted by cyKey
Hehe, if that was true, all the screens behind would have bluescreened :D
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I can see it now. Waking up and all you can see is a screen saying

Matrix 2003 loading, with a scrolling bar running at the bottom of the screen.
 
lol about Bill gates (that's a worrying thought)..

I can't understand how Neo can rejoin the source. He is not software, he is human. (Unless of course THAT is the point).
 
Originally posted by azaniah
lol about Bill gates (that's a worrying thought)..

I can't understand how Neo can rejoin the source. He is not software, he is human. (Unless of course THAT is the point).
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He can only join the source when he is plugged in. This is where he is nothing more than information being transferred into the Matrix from his brain.

This information is then added to the source to avoid future "Neo's"
 
Originally posted by azaniah
lol about Bill gates (that's a worrying thought)..

I can't understand how Neo can rejoin the source. He is not software, he is human. (Unless of course THAT is the point).
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He has a human body like all of us outside the matrix. He has a digital representation of himself inside the matrix, just like all of us. That is what enters the source. If the matrix is just a computer simulation, how could any human exist in it? Digital versions of each other.
 
Still makes no sense...

The matrix is there to keep us occupied. It's an illusion, it feeds our senses, reacts to our responses.

Humans are not part of the software tho'. They are affected by it, and respond to it. The Matrix is not the humans, it is "the illusion that blinds up from the truth".

If it were that easy, then as soon as anyone plugged into the matrix, the matrix would simply absorb them. Remove that software blip. It wouldn't need to kill anyone, send out agents. It would just sense the entry and "delete".
 
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