Matrix Reloaded - Discuss *[WARNING SPOILER]*

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Originally posted by daz
I have a theory that the machines aren't using us a direct source of power, but rather using the human mind as a kind of supercomputer... 6 billion human minds, all hooked up would make one hell of a SETI cruncher.

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But according to research the average human male thinks about sex every other minute.. so there's not much time for seti crunching..

However they do say we only use a small fraction of our brain..
 
Here is a spoiler for all you plotters out there....

That EMP pulse was not from Neo, it was the pulse that Dane (I think was his name, the evil 'good' guy Smith took over) set off early as part of Zion's counter attack. That is what stopped the sentinels.

The 'difference' the Neo felt was that the prophecy had not been follwed, as in the war between machine and man did not end as everyone was told.
 
Originally posted by Dj_Jestar
Here is a spoiler for all you plotters out there....

That EMP pulse was not from Neo, it was the pulse that Dane (I think was his name, the evil 'good' guy Smith took over) set off early as part of Zion's counter attack. That is what stopped the sentinels.
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No.

The guys name is Bane, and he set off/booby trapped the EMPs to go off just before the fleet was getting in position to counter attack. When the sentinels were stopped at the end, Bane was already picked up by the other ship... it was a different EMP blash because the Nebuchanezzar was still quite far away from Zion.
 
Originally posted by NickK
But according to research the average human male thinks about sex every other minute.. so there's not much time for seti crunching..

However they do say we only use a small fraction of our brain..
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There is a story on the Animatrix site about the Machines using people as processing units. I can't link to it, its part of a java popup I think, but its the first story in Series1.
 
Just off on a bit of a tangent, but does anyone have any pics of the "battle armour" worn by the bloke in Zion, shown when they close Gate 3 (I think it was 3)? The preview of Revolutions showed this armour in action and it looks pretty cool.
 
Having spent all morning reading this.. (saw the film last night)..

On the film: Good but not great. Despite the plot, large chunks of the acting were awful. Totally uneeded scenes ( Oracles defender, rave scene, love scene). (By the way, standing that close to molten lava would require SOMETHING on your feet)... Some of the fight scenes dragged (some of the cgi wasnt' that great).....

As someone pointed out it just lacked the "coolness" of the first (and also the score didn't help).. Those are just editorial / dicitorial points..

Regarding the plot, I thought the matrix is run by the machines. It is not the machines themselves. The agents are merely software programs that exist within the matrix. That being said there must be some kind of feedback, which detects these anomilies.

Why they don't kill the humans the fall into the .1% not fooled? What purpose is there to keep them alive, unless it is deliberate?

In the first film we saw a machine come and check out Neo when he woke up... It should have just killed him. Acceptable losses. There is no need for any 2nd matrix, secondry systems, control loops etc. You fit the program so that 99.9% believe it, those that don't you kill.

That is my first big stumbling block. That is the logical thing to do, mince em up feed em to new grown babies and get on with it.

As for Neo being inserted into the source. what source? The software? How does that work, He may have been deceived by software but he is not software he is human. So what does that mean.

My explaination is that if the machine are intelligent and concious, then they need things to do. In a perfect matrix, with all anomalies sorted they are bored. They exist and perputuate for no reason. That screws up their logical world. They need purpose. They deliberately allow the matrix to be flawed. It's a game.


That aside I hope agent smith does turn out to be the anti-hero.

No idea how Neo stops the sentinals, I hope it's NOT a 2nd Matrix as that is a bit poo. But I also hope he's not got some "mystical" ability either.. How can a software program, affect physics in the real world? I hope there is a third option....

Az

P.S. Lot's of this is rubbish..
 
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that is something that nagged at me in the first one actually.. when neo awoke to the real world for the first time, why did that machine just leave him?

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As soon as you think about that, it implies choice on the part of the machines (negating the machines "can't make choices" rubbish). It is the logical thing to do.
 
Nice idea - but leaves a lot to chance. The effective thing would be to crush his skull, when you have him by the throat.. (Or just rip his head of).

If the matrix is aware that .1% don't buy it, and then they have agents to deal with that .1% coming back into the matrix, the really smart (logical thing) to do would be to ensure death.
 
Surely if they can convince a mind that they are living in the matrix, they must be able to have some kind of feedback loop. Is the brain accepting this? I think I'll stand by the window, I'll name my pet Arnold etc. etc.

In which case you would suspect that anything Neo (or whoever) can think can be read by the machine, so why ask where/what the key is?
 
Originally posted by Dj_Jestar
Also, in the first, they interrogate Morpheus for the 'Key' to Zion.

Do thye not need the key anymore??
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The key was to the mainframe. If they got into the mainframe, they could shut down Zions defences from the outside, they could do a lot of damage to Zion.
Obviously machines aren't intuitive enough to be able to hack into a network, like the humans can hack into theirs.
 
but they are intuitive enough to dig to the core (rather than use the same routes the ships do) to avoid the defenses...

So again a bit pointless really
 
They don't need the key anymore because they are just digging straight down into Zion, whereas before (I assume) they were going to use the access codes to shut down Zion's defense systems.

I like the idea that when Neo went through the right door he stepped into another matrix especially designed to make him re-consider being re-entered into the source.

Also, how do we know that the Architect wasn’t just telling Neo what he needed to hear (like the Oracle did) and that him choosing to save Trinity was what the machines wanted him to do?

For the people wondering that if the real world was just another matrix why can’t Neo see the code, it would be because Neo doesn’t know that he is in another matrix, therefore wouldn’t be able to see the code or use his powers (like before he was unplugged and knew he was the one,) though personally I hate the idea of Zion being another matrix, or a protection layer for rebels, it would mean there could never be a true ending or closure.

Link said they are in the 'main city' (during the freeway chase,), why is this the ‘main city,’ what is so special about it?

By the way, was the annoying kid the one in the animatrix who jumped out of the school building window, 'died' and left the matrix?
 
Remember that Neo was meant to be the one. That is why they didn't kill him when he leaves the matrix. This is also probably why the agents have the whole hacking into Morpheus scheme. Its not to really hack into Morpheus (although I guess if there isn't a 2nd matrix and Zion is in the real world, then it'd be nice to get the codes), its all to bring about Neo's abilities so he can eventually rejoin the source.

Its all just one big bug finding / patching system. Matrix Update :D
 
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