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Originally posted by cyKey
No, to understand Donnie Darko you have to read the book that they have in the film, which is around on the net.
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Hmm.. why does Dune spring to mind here.
I watched the original film and thought it pants, tbh. Then dad saw the book at a car boot sale and bought it for me. Its now the most read book in my collection.
I've watched the film since, and because I understand the sub-plots and story lines an awful lot better, the film makes more sense. Still not a big fan of the film, but at least it makes sense. Dune just isn't a book that should ever have been translated to celluloid. Even the recent Science Channel version of it was a half re-written story to account for what couldn't be expressed in a visual medium like that.
 
nice clothes and no shoes???

oh thats an easy question WHO LIKES TO WEAR SHOES?

I would run around barefoot all the time if i did not live in Phoenix, Arizona where the temps are already in 100 degree F temps.

If i can get away with it, I do.
So I think they didnt wear shoes because shoes are so constricting, and take away from freedom. to a point, like you cant move and streach your feet with shoes. ...Unless you have flip flops, but then those hurt the in-betweens of your toes.

this is what I think but then I am weird like that, Id dance in the street during a rain storm barefoot..... if ever we would get rain again.

I miss cloudy-rain heavy- skies ::::sigh::::
graces one and all
kianagreen
 
I have just come back from watching the film and I think it was good, not great.

The action scenes were good. There was a lot of dull stuff in the first half of the movie. It was a good continuation of the story and left very open ended so there is a lot of room for speculation before the tjird movie.
 
ok this is my take on it....


99.9% that take the matrix as true are the real world matrix, the 0.01% that dont are in Zion, a extension of the matrix. I think their is no two matrices, Zion is in a small bubble of the matrix. They never left the matrix, as it would be very hard for one person (The first one) to survive after what happened to Neo at the start of the first matrix film.
The one is the factor that always the loop to continue, they give him the chose to end it all or do it all again. This way they get ride of their 0.01% that are trouble for the machines.
The question your ask yourself if you were a machine would you not factor a system in at the start to contain the rebels and cull them with less hassel ?
System with-in system.
You know what supports my Idea of areas in the matrix like Zion ?
The way the Ship operator wasn't able to track all the members through all areas of the matrix, so I recon that Zion is a 'cloaked' area of the matrix used to dump the 0.01% that dont accept the main area of the matrix. They need to empty it every often due to the increasing chance that Zion could affect the main matrix more due to Zions members freeing more people.
So they end Zion and restart the cycle aka the sentinal attack and the one rebuilding Zion from start.
I recon neo has control of this bubble area in the matrix ie the sentinals being disabled :)
Its like skimmin the fat of a bottle of full fat milk, you know its bad stuff so you carve it out ie destroy Zion.
Also, I recon Smith was only able to take over that crew member because they are moving from one area of the matrix to another :D
Also Smith can only affect the machines from inside of the matrix in the film if he can from the Zion it must mean they are still in the matrix. But you saw Neos powers expanding into new areas (Trinity reliving and far faster speed)
I recon its all just one matrix, but this difference in this One (Neo) is what changes all the factors, ie Neo can control the matrix bubble (Zion). If so Zion bubble could have a chance to live and continue.
I still want to know about this ONE AI that created the machines, WERE IS IT ! ;)
The big player is still in the back ground I recon.

I hope that makes some sense


I have missed something about Neos new found powers though.....

Its bugging me now :mad:


This is the point were you shout out like Austin Powers "Oh No ! Im gone all Cross eye'd !" ROFL
 
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I still feel that its an inherint design flaw to factor in a glitch that would ultimately choose to destroy the matrix and everything the Architect worked for. Trinity being the glitch, not Neo. Neo is part of the designed system, Trinity was destined to fall in love with Neo, but why? As that destiny would cause Neo to choose a different path. But if its all predestined, why would the machines choose this when they've spent 100's of years perfecting it?

I'm starting to think tho, if Zion is just a bubble matrix, or 2nd system, then that plot line while not exactly suprising works. Why? Neo could ultimately recode the matrix to allow free choice? That being the revolution? Maybe he'll code it so the council of Zion are the ones who actually control it? Allowing humans to help fix the bugs. But then one might say "Well if they have free choice, why not leave?" Maybe theres a reason why they can't? Maybe once their in the matrix thats it, your body is so dependant on it that if you leave u die. Or maybe the outside world is toxic?
 
ok this is my theory on many parts of the film.

i think that it is one matrix, but if u like 2 layers to this matrix. like an onion, with the matrix that we all know about in the middle and then the "real world" being the layer covering it. now as the architect said the core matrix would not capture everyone only like 99% of the population, so what do the machines do? they think well what if we let that other 1% think that they are out of the matrix. but in actual fact they have just ascended to the next level of the matrix. now it seems to me that the anomoly happens because of program failure, and i also have a theory that "the one" is the only one who can realise that even zion is actually just another part of the matrix. and therefore they try to trick the one into thinking that it is not by giving him the choice. now as to the he makes the 2nd choice because of emotion i am not sure about that because surely whether ure out of the matrix or in the matrix your still going to be having emotions?.. like the people in zion all have emotions such as the woman who wos dating link?..

this theory i think covers most of the questions i have about the matrix as it explains why neo would be able to stop the sentinels and also explain why agent smith was able to get out of the "core" matrix. so i think it goes that the man lying next to neo at the end was agent smith in the person he assimilated's body. as to why agent smith did not "die" i would say is because he is a program the only way he can "die" is if he is deleted. as he said in the film he was supposed to go to the deletion part of the machines but he disobeyed and decided to go into "exile". i also think that agent smith wants to gain control of the machines because it seems the programs have a rank with the highest we have come accross so far being the architect and oracle.

my prediction is that neo has gone into a coma but has actually realised that he can travel in and out of the "core" matrix without having to get hooked up the machine because he is actually still within the matrix. this would also be the same for agent smith who is in the other mans body. this would be kinda symbolic as it will prolly be a battle between them and they are lying right next to each other in the "real world" matrix.

hiroki
 
The theorys that i have read on these forums have been fantastic.

But i have a questions that is bugging me!

If there are several parts of one matrix (or several matrices) why does agent smith need to use the phone to travel between them?

Cant he just wander in and out?
 
Originally posted by Hiroki
ok this is my theory on many parts of the film.

i think that it is one matrix, but if u like 2 layers to this matrix. like an onion, with the matrix that we all know about in the middle and then the "real world" being the layer covering it. now as the architect said the core matrix would not capture everyone only like 99% of the population, so what do the machines do? they think well what if we let that other 1% think that they are out of the matrix. but in actual fact they have just ascended to the next level of the matrix. now it seems to me that the anomoly happens because of program failure, and i also have a theory that "the one" is the only one who can realise that even zion is actually just another part of the matrix. and therefore they try to trick the one into thinking that it is not by giving him the choice. now as to the he makes the 2nd choice because of emotion i am not sure about that because surely whether ure out of the matrix or in the matrix your still going to be having emotions?.. like the people in zion all have emotions such as the woman who wos dating link?..

this theory i think covers most of the questions i have about the matrix as it explains why neo would be able to stop the sentinels and also explain why agent smith was able to get out of the "core" matrix. so i think it goes that the man lying next to neo at the end was agent smith in the person he assimilated's body. as to why agent smith did not "die" i would say is because he is a program the only way he can "die" is if he is deleted. as he said in the film he was supposed to go to the deletion part of the machines but he disobeyed and decided to go into "exile". i also think that agent smith wants to gain control of the machines because it seems the programs have a rank with the highest we have come accross so far being the architect and oracle.

my prediction is that neo has gone into a coma but has actually realised that he can travel in and out of the "core" matrix without having to get hooked up the machine because he is actually still within the matrix. this would also be the same for agent smith who is in the other mans body. this would be kinda symbolic as it will prolly be a battle between them and they are lying right next to each other in the "real world" matrix.

hiroki
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that seems like a very feasable idea, and thats what i thought since he managed to stop the sentinels. he cant just stop them with superman powers can he. it must be some form of matrix.

i noticed an error in the film. when trinity has to make a sudden stop on the motorbike, she presses the front brake leaver, yet skids with her back wheel. did anyone else notice that?

IzoneIZ
 
Just thinking on what cyKey said about Neo being part of The Matrix. I think this might be so, because in the first film when Neo is being loaded with knowledge (like Kung-Fu etc...), Tank says "He's a machine". I think this might be the Wassup (SP? :D) Brothers with a subtle hint for diehard fans maybe?!?!

I'd also like to say, give this thread another week and we will have it sussed with our Borg-like analysis. :) This week, The Matrix Plot, Next Week, The Meaning Of Life. :P
 
Originally posted by TerraS
Just thinking on what cyKey said about Neo being part of The Matrix. I think this might be so, because in the first film when Neo is being loaded with knowledge (like Kung-Fu etc...), Tank says "He's a machine". I think this might be the Wassup (SP? :D) Brothers with a subtle hint for diehard fans maybe?!?!

I'd also like to say, give this thread another week and we will have it sussed with our Borg-like analysis. :) This week, The Matrix Plot, Next Week, The Meaning Of Life. :P
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Others have mentioned that Neo might be a machine. What I really meant was that his purpose was designed, not Neo himself. :) But yer I also thought of that quote too. I did read somewhere that its a nice way to explain Keanu's bad acting :D
 
Originally posted by Defiant
The way the Ship operator wasn't able to track all the members through all areas of the matrix, so I recon that Zion is a 'cloaked' area of the matrix used to dump the 0.01% that dont accept the main area of the matrix.
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The reason he couldn't trace them in the corridor is because it is a construct tunnel behind the scenes of the Matrix (makes more sense the way it's explained in the game). It's like the loading area the rebels refer to as "the Construct", it's like I can be playing a game, then alt-tab out of it. I'm not actually present in the game, although the game is running, I'm present in the OS. When they are in that corridor they are not in the Matrix proper, not in any kind of geographical location that the operator would be able to locate.

Also, I recon Smith was only able to take over that crew member because they are moving from one area of the matrix to another :D
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My take on this is that what you get in the matrix isn't the real self. It's a digital projection of the self. Thats why its able to break physical rules, because it's not actually physically present. None of the people are. What you essentially have is a program that is directly controlled by the jacked in brain.
Because the thing in the Matrix is a program, Agent Smith as a virus can infect that program. However, because that program is directly linked to a brain at the other end, it can also be infected by the virus; in effect overwriting its personalitu with the Smiths.

Also Smith can only affect the machines from inside of the matrix in the film if he can from the Zion it must mean they are still in the matrix.
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But he can't you see.. and he never has been able to. As I explained earlier in the thread, all he was able to do in the first film was order the strike. He wasn't in direct control. It's like saying a soldier on the front line who calls in artillery cover is actually in direct mental control of the artillery. He isn't, he merely passes along relevant instructions to be operated upon at the other end

But you saw Neos powers expanding into new areas (Trinity reliving and far faster speed)
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I wouldn't see far faster speed as a new area, merely a growth in an area. :D But I guess I'm straying close to being pedantic here, I apologise.

The big player is still in the back ground I recon.
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Oh aye, I reckon we're yet to meet the real controller. I reckon it's highly likely to be Keanu Reeves too... that would be about right. The Saviour being created in the image of the Father.... but it would depend on that being a Christian parrallel they want to continue.

Oh, and for the record, I reckon you're right in that Zion is either a bubble part of the matrix or part of an entirely seperate matrix. It would make sense, as Neo is the only One to have not made the logical choice, for him to be the first to make this ultimate discovery.

If this is the case, the freedom that is bound to occur in the next film shall be very interesting indeed.
 
When Trinity is hacking her way into the matrix, she has reset the root password to "ZION0101" which when you translate the binary means "Zion5". This is fifth incarnation of Zion and nobody knows about it, but it looks like Trinity knows....but how?.
Also neos room in the first matrix is 101 and the highway is called 101.
 
Originally posted by Butterfingers
When Trinity is hacking her way into the matrix, she has reset the root password to "ZION0101" which when you translate the binary means "Zion5". This is fifth incarnation of Zion and nobody knows about it, but it looks like Trinity knows....but how?.
Also neos room in the first matrix is 101 and the highway is called 101.
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did you notice that youself?

IZoneIZ
 
Originally posted by Butterfingers
When Trinity is hacking her way into the matrix, she has reset the root password to "ZION0101" which when you translate the binary means "Zion5". This is fifth incarnation of Zion and nobody knows about it, but it looks like Trinity knows....but how?.
Also neos room in the first matrix is 101 and the highway is called 101.
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Maybe she doesn't know? Plot hidden egg thing?
 
Originally posted by Butterfingers
When Trinity is hacking her way into the matrix, she has reset the root password to "ZION0101" which when you translate the binary means "Zion5". This is fifth incarnation of Zion and nobody knows about it, but it looks like Trinity knows....but how?.
Also neos room in the first matrix is 101 and the highway is called 101.
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While we're on the 101s, wasn't the floor on which Merovingian was dining, floor 101?
 
Originally posted by Cobertizo
While we're on the 101s, wasn't the floor on which Merovingian was dining, floor 101?
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Yes, but your forgetting, room 101 was the place in George Orwell's novel 1984 where people were sent to be tortured and would end up believing something that wasn't true. It appeared in the first film (Neo's room, and in a few other places IIRC), and has been used regularly throughout them both.

Originally posted by Butterfingers
When Trinity is hacking her way into the matrix, she has reset the root password to "ZION0101" which when you translate the binary means "Zion5". This is fifth incarnation of Zion and nobody knows about it, but it looks like Trinity knows....but how?.
Also neos room in the first matrix is 101 and the highway is called 101.
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This is the 6th incarnation of the Matrix/Zion, not the 5th, so allusions to the password is Z10n0101 pushes it a little far.
 
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Originally posted by Garp
Yes, but your forgetting, room 101 was the place in George Orwell's novel 1984 where people were sent to be tortured and would end up believing something that wasn't true. It appeared in the first film (Neo's room, and in a few other places IIRC), and has been used regularly throughout them both.



This is the 6th incarnation of the Matrix/Zion, not the 5th, so allusions to the password is Z10n0101 pushes it a little far.
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YOU SILLY BOY :)

0000 = 0
0001 = 1
0010 = 2
0011 = 3
0100 = 4
0101 = 5

6 zions (0,1,2,3,4,5) 0000 being first, 0101 being sixth Binary Man!
 
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