Mattresses - I need knowledge

Well to follow up on my last post, Casper did come and pick up the mattress a couple of days after us telling them we were returning it. The collection guys had me sign an app and had no paperwork to give me (all electronic). This came back to bite us when Casper emailed later in the day to say they were sorry the collection didn't take place, and they wouldn't be able to refund us until they got confirmation. Cue a couple of days of phoning Casper and their shippers to get it sorted. It took a couple of days for their depot manager to mail them back to say they couldn't find the returned mattress in their warehouse as it was a return-recycle, and so wouldn't be there anyway. It eventually got sorted, but it was a few days of unnecessary hassle, phone calls and emails to get our refund. If their shippers gave out collection notes, we could have proved the collection with one email. So it didn't go as smoothly as promised or expected.
 
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and I'm now wondering how impartial their review is?
they list their sponsors(free beds) - most brands have vouchers (lol) and they seem to make trivial distinctions between the different brands,
who cares about the cover, tell me about the long term resilience/quality of the foam.
Depth of imprint from sitting/laying on different brands was the most interesting bit ...and the cross-section showing what you are/are-not getting for your money.

the eve 10 year guiranatee is worth a read - if unweighted it indents by 5cm (I think it was) they send you another bed - yippee
 
We bought an Eve mattress around 10 days ago along with two of their pillows (free with the mattress.) No complaints so far but it's all very subjective so my comments will mean very little really.
The pillows are very comfy although I still have a standard cheap pillow underneath as I like my head raised a lot. The pillow has a load of holes through it, supposedly to keep your head cool.
In hindsight it would have been better to have bought this mattress and pillow in summer to see how cool it keeps me during the 100 day trial (I am a very warm sleeper.)
90 days left to decide!
 
We bought an Eve mattress around 10 days ago along with two of their pillows (free with the mattress.) No complaints so far but it's all very subjective so my comments will mean very little really.
The pillows are very comfy although I still have a standard cheap pillow underneath as I like my head raised a lot. The pillow has a load of holes through it, supposedly to keep your head cool.
In hindsight it would have been better to have bought this mattress and pillow in summer to see how cool it keeps me during the 100 day trial (I am a very warm sleeper.)
90 days left to decide!

Ordered mine yesterday through topcashback and got 51quid back so combined with the 100quid offer they had the pillows are effectively free. Estimated delivery of next Tuesday. Will see how I get on with it but certainly trying it out in the shop it felt as good as my current mattress albeit it was only for a short lie down!
 
I have (soon to be had) a Drift mattress, which is very comfortable but being 16 stone, I usually wake up in a dip. Very characteristic of memory foam mattresses, but as the Drift has 4000 pocket springs in, it's not as bad as memory foam. My last mattress was pure memory foam and an absolute nightmare. The dip in the bed never went away and it was a horrible nights sleep. The issue I had with the Drift was that the spring section of the mattress became dislodged so I had to keep unzipping the mattress to put it back. I phoned Drift and found out they are ceasing to trade :( However they said they will honour their warranty and send me a new Herdysleep mattress as a replacement.
Never heard of them but apparently made in the same factory but uses higher quality materials:

https://www.herdysleep.com/
 
We've had our Leesa mattress for just under a week (ordered on Saturday delivered on Thursday). Leesa make them to order rather than do a next day so only say a 4-5 day delivery. The mattress arrived vacuum packed in the usual tall box, was lugged upstairs and unwrapped and allowed to decompress. The amount of plastic wrap these companies use is mad. Straight away I noticed that the outgassing that all these foam mattresses have was much less than the Casper. There was only a slight chemical whiff on the Leesa that faded quickly and was gone after about three days. The Casper was much smellier for longer.

The mattress itself is a pleasant light grey/oatmeal with some white stripes across the bottom. I believe the first versions of the Leesa had a one piece cover that couldn't be removed, the current design has an unzippable cover. Where on the Tempur and Casper you can unzip around the bottom and throw the top part into the wash, leaving the bottom half under the mattress, the Leesa zip only goes around the sides and top. This means that you unzip around three sides, then pull the top and bottom off together. I imagine that this is going to be a real PITA when removing or refitting the cover, and means some washing machines may not be able to take the top and bottom cover all together. I think there will be much pulling and tipping of the mattress on the odd occasions you need to clean the cover. It's a shame the Leesa doesn't have an extra 1.5 metres of zip to make it easier to wash.

The mattress itself is really nice. The top layer is two inches of Avena foam, which is a synthetic latex. Latex is supposed to have a nicer, cooler feel than foam, but is less durable, and Avena tries to duplicate that with better durability and vents to help heat dissipation and air flow. I found it gave nice spring, but allowed you to sink somewhat into the memory foam layer underneath, even though it feels fairly firm and supportive. The dipping of the top layer was much more localised than the Casper, so I still felt I was more into the mattress, rather than rattling around the bottom of a dish with no support as with the Casper. I also found it pretty cool, in that it warms rather than gets hot. The only time I felt too hot was first thing in the morning as I am waking up and my body temperature rises. This is pretty good given we've got a mattress protector, a winter quilt, and the central heating coming on at the same time. It's much cooler than our old Tempur. The Leesa also seems more comfortable and supportive when sleeping on my side or stomach than the Casper, but not as enveloping as the Tempur.

The layer underneath is two inches of memory foam that give the support and shaping deep down into the bed. You can feel that this part of the mattress responds more slowly and shapes to your body. Underneath that is the six inches of support foam for the structure of the mattress. The Casper has more support foam, and less of the comfort and memory foam. The movement isolation is also a bit better on the Leesa, and a person moving around on one side can hardly be detected by the other person. The Tempur has slightly better isolation again.

The Leesa is a bit more firm and has much more spring than the Tempur, though I'm sure one of the newer non-tempurpedic Tempurs will feel similar. The Leesa is a half-way house that tries to compromise between the spring and coolness of a spring mattress, and the squishiness and "sinking deep" of a traditional Tempur. You don't feel that you have to climb out of a hole when moving on the Leesa. The edge support is much better than the Casper, and at least as good as the Tempur, but the tempur has a sort of increasing density when you put your weight on it, where the Leesa has a kind of more solid spring. The whole thing feels like it has memory foam in it, where many other foam mattresses just feel like foam or try to duplicate a spring mattress.

The Leesa softens up as it breaks in, and I can see it's becoming more pliable on my wife's side, and now on mine, which I quite like as I'm hoping the Avena layer becomes more flexible and bends a bit more into the memory layer when you put pressure on it. If the Leesa gets a permanent one inch dip, it become eligible for warranty replacement.

TL;DR
So in summary, I like the Leesa vastly more than the Casper, apart from the expected infrequent annoyance when I have to remove the cover. The Leesa has thicker comfort/memory foam layers, a nicer, more localised spring than the Casper. It's more comfortable, cool and supporting, and does a good job of compromising between a spring and memory foam mattress. It's a little more expensive (about £40 than the Casper) but hugely cheaper than a Tempur. All the companies have a 100 night trial (if you buy direct) and they always seem to have discount vouchers on their websites to bring the price down a bit.
 
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I read somewhere else that the Leesa was a little firmer and perhaps better for front or side sleepers. I weigh in around 21 stone, but I can't see any mention of a limit, so I guess it's covered by their warranty anyway.

For some reason I had thought I saw the Leesa was a thinner mattress, but the dimensions list it as 25cm high, is this right? Might sound silly, but I spent £70 on deep fitting sheets, I want to be able to use them still :)

I think Leesa might be the ones to go with. Any discount codes going at the moment that anyone knows? (I just found 'BETTER80' works, even though it's marked as expired on the HotUKDeals website)
 
I read somewhere else that the Leesa was a little firmer and perhaps better for front or side sleepers. I weigh in around 21 stone, but I can't see any mention of a limit, so I guess it's covered by their warranty anyway.

I think I did see somewhere on a review it was suggested that if you weight more than 200 pounds, then 25cms might not give you enough support. If you don't like it in the first 100 days, then send it back. They make you keep it for at least a month, because there seems to be a bit of a weird thing where people don't think much of them for the first few weeks, then they suddenly like it. I suspect there are a lot of people on poor or worn out mattresses, so after a few weeks they've had a chance to get used to sleeping on memory foam and find out they like it.

For some reason I had thought I saw the Leesa was a thinner mattress, but the dimensions list it as 25cm high, is this right? Might sound silly, but I spent £70 on deep fitting sheets, I want to be able to use them still :)

Yes, it's 25cm. Some of the other mattresses are a bit taller, which is why the Leesa is considered "thinner".

I think Leesa might be the ones to go with. Any discount codes going at the moment that anyone knows? (I just found 'BETTER80' works, even though it's marked as expired on the HotUKDeals website)

When we bought, we got a code pop up as soon as we went to the website, and it was automatically applied at the check out. If you go to the website, they'll at least offer to sign you up to their email list and send you offers.
 
There was a really interesting story about mattresses and marketing on reddit a few weeks ago. Well worth a read!

Oh wow! Very interesting read full of dirty tricks, and plenty of reasons not to buy a Casper or trust any reviews of it. I guess in the end you have to use the trials and see if you like any given mattress, though the review sites do tend to colour which ones you try first and thus which ones you are most likely to buy and keep. For every person who hates a mattress because it's too soft, you'll find one who hates it because it's too hard.
 
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I'm looking at a Simba (if I can buy from John Lewis, I can use my discount) anyone on the thread got one?

I think @ChrisD. has one? JL should have one set up to try, and if you have a Next near you they should have an Eve (which we found slightly firmer) if it has the homewares dept.

We tried Simba and thought it was a bit too soft, was part of the reason we liked the idea of the SD.

I do. Really like it. As above it is on the soft side however it's something I've grown used to.
 
There was a really interesting story about mattresses and marketing on reddit a few weeks ago. Well worth a read!

I got to be honest, I skipped through a lot... and maybe it's changed now, but that's why I said this on the last page...

I was thinking of trying the Eve, then I see they prefer the Leesa... then I see they have a discount code you can use to buy a Leesa and I'm now wondering how impartial their review is?

Surely you question their impartiality when they have some kind of a deal with the mattress people?

**EDIT** Looking again now, I see they have vouchers/links for the all, so I guess it's okay :)
 
I've managed to time it all reasonably well. My new Leesa is coming tomorrow and my Sleeping Duck is being collected on Tuesday.

I've made no attempts to correct the issues in the SD and it's formed a right old hump through the middle now. The topper layers have also come away from the top and bottom edges (and I assume into the hump) which means it's generally quite a mess now.
 
Mine is just sat leaning against the wall, I'm waiting to start the return until there's a possibility of me being able to arrange someone to be hear to accept collection.

Andy, how does the return work out, do you just fill the form in and they tell you when they can collect or do you get a choice of collection time/date or what?
 
They told me there would be up to a 12 day wait for the collection, but fill the form and someone would be in touch. I completed it 7 working days before my week off, so the 12 working day would be the last Friday of my week off. I got a text last Wed or Thur saying my date was the Tue, call to confirm or choose a different date.
 
Well that's annoying, I just got an email from UPS saying they missed me... I've been sat here waiting all morning. Have called and explained no-one has been near my front door, I have motion activated video etc. "I'll try and get a message for the driver to come back.", "Okay, thanks. Please let him know where ever he went, was the wrong address.", "Yes, we have your address here, he has that.", "Yes, but where ever he thought it was, is not my flat. Please make sure he doesn't just go back to where he went before.", "Yes, we have your address as....", "Yes, that's right, but clearly that's not where he went...." *bangs head against brick wall*

I'd written today off as sitting in for the delivery, I'm not telling them I'm off all week because I really don't want to spend it sat around waiting for them! It's a good job I didn't get round to stripping this bed down and removing the mattress yet!
 
Well i've now ordered the Leesa.

After a week and a half on the John Ryan one my wife has been in a lot of pain. Something she didn't have with the Sleeping Duck one. I'm hoping since the Leesa is more secure as far as the top bit goes that it won't form that weird lump and it seems to suggest they're a lot cooler.

If this fails i'm going to just get the Premier Inn Hypnos one i think. Although does anyone know the difference between that and the Marriorr Hypnos one?
 
Fair play to UPS, they got the guy to come back with my mattress!

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It does feel a little lower again, no problem there though. It's also gives more. When I sit on the edge, I can feel how low it squashes compared to the Sleeping Duck. A comfortable nights sleep though.

Literally only 10 minutes ago the SD got picked up. I was their last job, that's still quite a late one! By the end it was looking like this -

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You could really feel the ridge, but I cba to take the bedding off, unzip it and pull it straight, with the Leesa on it's way. You can just about see top and bottom it's pulled away from the edges.
 
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