I assume you'd pay staff and hire them until say 10:30 to get this done?
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I assume you'd pay staff and hire them until say 10:30 to get this done?
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Good on you. I used to do the same, if they told us we had to stay I walked out at finish time. I know I always did my job properly so I wasn't going to stay extra because the others were incompetent and lazy.
The really annoying one was when they ask you to stay for a specific job that needs to be done then they try and stick you on tills instead, I always used to walk out then as well seeing as I never agreed to stay for till work.
Retail managers aren't very bright, do little work and take the credit for everyone else killing themselves to get work done.
The best thing to do in a retail job is go in, do your work and then go home, no point going an extra mile or taking one for the team because it makes no difference. I always used to stay to help out when needed or do extra shifts but then when I needed more hours they would say "sorry we don't have any spare" then go and give extra shifts to useless numpties who never did the work properly but sucked up to the managers. I just stopped doing anything more than necessary after a while.
The really annoying one was when they ask you to stay for a specific job that needs to be done then they try and stick you on tills instead, I always used to walk out then as well seeing as I never agreed to stay for till work.
Retail managers aren't very bright, do little work and take the credit for everyone else killing themselves to get work done.
The best thing to do in a retail job is go in, do your work and then go home, no point going an extra mile or taking one for the team because it makes no difference. I always used to stay to help out when needed or do extra shifts but then when I needed more hours they would say "sorry we don't have any spare" then go and give extra shifts to useless numpties who never did the work properly but sucked up to the managers. I just stopped doing anything more than necessary after a while.
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what you going to do? sack somebody for not working over there contracted hours?
get a grip. theres no reason at all for a manager to be mad at a employee finishing work dead on time.
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If you are only contracted to do 4 hours then as I see it you only need to work 4 hours. You could have commitments past that time and it's up the your employer to ask you if you can stay on for a bit. Staying on to help out and not being paid is taking the michael when it's a minimum wage job in the first place.
It's just the same as you turning up 15 minutes late to work and expecting to get paid for the time you missed.
It's just the same as you turning up 15 minutes late to work and expecting to get paid for the time you missed.
what would you define as a real industry? i imagine it feels pretty real to the people who work at near minimum wage to bring money home to their families, the ones who stayed behind to get the job done, not because they wanted to but because they'd been asked to and they didn't want to leave the rest of the team in the crap.
You are perfectly entitled by law to walk out at 8:00 but to be honest if i'd been one of the guys who'd stayed behind and it was a pretty rare occurence i'd be thinking what a 'nonce'.
I'm probably drawing conclusions but you do sound a little as though you think the job is beneath you.
You are perfectly entitled by law to walk out at 8:00 but to be honest if i'd been one of the guys who'd stayed behind and it was a pretty rare occurence i'd be thinking what a 'nonce'.
I'm probably drawing conclusions but you do sound a little as though you think the job is beneath you.
I don't see where the big problem is. If everyone chipping in means you all get to go home quicker then what's the problem? You might feel you are destined for greater things and that the "team" aren't worth wasting any time on at all but just having a bit of flexibility and respect goes a long way (is 15 minutes of unpaid work really the end of the world?).
You say that when the time comes and you get a job you really feel passionate about, then you will work all the hours available to you to do a good job, but whatever happened to the principle of "Start as you mean to go on"?
You say that when the time comes and you get a job you really feel passionate about, then you will work all the hours available to you to do a good job, but whatever happened to the principle of "Start as you mean to go on"?
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Agreed. Go and complain to your head honcho asap about the power-hungry wannabe manager trying to exploit you and the rest. If he wont listen, take it regional, you said its a big chain, ask your manager for his managers contact details, or find em yourself.
wasn't there an opportunity here to negotiate the terms a little ?, i.e yes we'll work on, but he/she would let you start/finish at a different time later in the month in keeping with the hours you had worked, to the sole benefit and discretion of you.
you are absolutely correct in that you were under no obligation to do any additional work, and the manner in which it was put to you was pants, but in life you soon realise you get where you want to go by being "smart", if you get into the habit of "I only get paid from x till y", then you may be an unwelcome and expendible commodity in your future bosses eyes.
many people have posted "why bother for a PT job", conversely use everything in life as a learning experience and realise your manager is a clown who doesn't know the 1st thing about man management
in answer to your original question "am I in bother", If they want rid of you they will no doubt find a way as there is less protection for part time employees, additionally you could make the situation worse by how you handle any subsequent disciplinary meetings. If you value the opportunity to make money, then stay tight lipped but suggest the way in which it was dealt to you was unprofessional and antagonistic hence your reaction. In future should the situation again arise you would hope it could be done differently.
you are absolutely correct in that you were under no obligation to do any additional work, and the manner in which it was put to you was pants, but in life you soon realise you get where you want to go by being "smart", if you get into the habit of "I only get paid from x till y", then you may be an unwelcome and expendible commodity in your future bosses eyes.
many people have posted "why bother for a PT job", conversely use everything in life as a learning experience and realise your manager is a clown who doesn't know the 1st thing about man management
in answer to your original question "am I in bother", If they want rid of you they will no doubt find a way as there is less protection for part time employees, additionally you could make the situation worse by how you handle any subsequent disciplinary meetings. If you value the opportunity to make money, then stay tight lipped but suggest the way in which it was dealt to you was unprofessional and antagonistic hence your reaction. In future should the situation again arise you would hope it could be done differently.
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It's the principal, I agree with the OP 100% and would do the same thing, in fact I do it almost daily. When it's time to go I go, technicaly I don't mind working over but I certainly won't do it for nothing.
Im on one of these minimum wage jobs and i tend to be one of the people who stays on. I dont really have a problem with whats hes doing as the manageress cant force anyone to do a damn thing past their contracted hours.
It only irritates me when the person in question is a slacker and is part of the reason why people are having to stay behind in the first place
It only irritates me when the person in question is a slacker and is part of the reason why people are having to stay behind in the first place
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You can be disgusted until the cows come home, but what would you actually do about it? There's nothing you can do unless they're being paid. Disgusted doesn't get results, but then you'd know that being a "supervisor".
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I fully understand the will to work extra and put in that little extra. And I have - On a saturday night one time the store was a little below standards and the manager (a different one) asked if anyone could work for an extra hour. Only myself and another member of staffed offered to help and stay behind with our manager. I don't even know if we got paid for it, i don't even care - I did it out of good will.
There are 2 differences between that situation and the one at present:
1) She asked us if anyone could stay; she didn't tell us (try to force us, exploiting stupidity) to stay
2) She defined the amount of time we'd be working. A lot of people here are saying something along the lines of "Whats the problem, it was only 15 minutes!". I didn't know that. Its the principal in question that is the problem.
Edit: in both situations the store was under staffed.
There are 2 differences between that situation and the one at present:
1) She asked us if anyone could stay; she didn't tell us (try to force us, exploiting stupidity) to stay
2) She defined the amount of time we'd be working. A lot of people here are saying something along the lines of "Whats the problem, it was only 15 minutes!". I didn't know that. Its the principal in question that is the problem.
Edit: in both situations the store was under staffed.
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There's a right way and a wrong way to do something, i think you went for the latter.
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I was talking about the time another manager handled the situation in the right way. sorry if my post was unclear.
I can see this starting to go round in circles so in conclusion:
I'm totally going to get fired aren't I?
I know I probably can't get fired for this but they'll most likely pin something else on me, that the way it works isn't it?I wouldn't have worked it either. There is a reason you have contracted hours, surely?
EDIT: Surely, whatever they get you with; unless it is something you should be sacked for, will still be seen as Constructive/Unfair Dismissal?
EDIT: Surely, whatever they get you with; unless it is something you should be sacked for, will still be seen as Constructive/Unfair Dismissal?