May be in trouble at work
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what if the OP did stay back 15 minutes after work to help out but then turned up 15 minutes late for work the next day? Do you think the manager wouldn't care?
If they were a good manager, and there was a good reason for the lateness, then they shouldn't care.
)The key to getting a good manager is to be a good employee
Good employees get the flexibility and support they deserve, but lazy, jobsworth employees won't.
Of course, far too many people think they are good employees just because they turn up...
I think the OP did the right thing. I had a supermarket job for many years while at school and managers ALWAYS try it on around staying later without OT.
If they feel short of time or the place isn't tidy enough they should have got everyone tidying up sooner. They should learn from this.
Forget being a team player, it's a part time job, not your career. Remember - the managers are in it for good and the good managers realise that those around them are not.
If they feel short of time or the place isn't tidy enough they should have got everyone tidying up sooner. They should learn from this.
Forget being a team player, it's a part time job, not your career. Remember - the managers are in it for good and the good managers realise that those around them are not.
The key to getting a good manager is to be a good employee
Good employees get the flexibility and support they deserve, but lazy, jobsworth employees won't.
Of course, far too many people think they are good employees just because they turn up...
Sorry thats BS, a manager isn't magically made good because you have good employees, maybe on a personal level you will get extra brownie points if you go out your way to help, but a good manager is something different.
So what would you class as a good employee? Someone who followed everything the manager said without question?
KaHn
^^^ what he said.
The company dont care about you. Your boss does not care about you. Your manager does not care about you.
They are only interested in the business and if its possible to get more work out of the workers in any way possible - they will do it- They have no scruples in this, trust me. Its nothing personal, Its a business.
Those of you staying longer for NO pay are absolutely mad....you aint doing them a favour that they will remember and help you out. You are being used and exploited.
If you are only paid until 5.30 pm then that is when you leave regardless if it means you have to 'close-up' earlier.
and just to echo what others have been saying : No they cant fire you for you doing your job!
The key to getting a good manager is to be a good employee
Good employees get the flexibility and support they deserve, but lazy, jobsworth employees won't.
Of course, far too many people think they are good employees just because they turn up...
Not true, comes down to the individual manager as to whether they treat their employees right or not.
Generally though it does not hurt to be helpful, but for this what you have to focus on is the individual case. If they do this often he is right to stand his ground so they don't make a habbit of it (they can afford to pay him) however a one off occassion would not be so right.
That being said you can't say you get a good manager by being a good employee.
KaHn please tell me which spoons pub you worked at so I can avoid it!
Only one in South Shields.
KaHn
KaHn please tell me which spoons pub you worked at so I can avoid it!
whatever you order, make sure to ask for no ice.
I think you've somewhat missed my meaning, allow me to clarify it.
If people work hard at their job, perform, and show flexibility and responsibility where it's appropriate, they will (or should) get the same from their boss, subject to the needs of the business of course.
If you have someone who isn't performing (which is different to can't perform, I will add), refuses to show any flexibility or take any responsibility, they will get different treatment from their boss, because they require different management to get the best from them.
A good employee isn't someone who does everything the manager tells them to, a good employee is one who does their job to the best of their ability, who takes responsibility for their part in the business rather than someone you have to force to do their job through harsh management.
A good manager fosters and rewards behaviours that are beneficial while addressing those that are not. They ensure their employees have all the tools they need to do a good job, while addressing those unwilling to do so in an appropriate fashion.
You also have to balance the needs of your employees with the benefits they provide, someone who shows flexibility when the business needs it is far more likely to recieve the same from the business if they need it than someone who thinks they only have to work to rule or less, and then expects the business not to do the same.
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IME, in most (not all) cases those who claim they have bad managers don't have bad managers, they have good managers who expect them to perform at an acceptable level, or only allow them the same amount of flexibility they are willing to show.
I know very few good employees who genuinely have bad managers.
What industry do you work in if you don't mind me asking? I have only worked in two which vary a lot.
Bars:-
i have worked in 2 differnt bars, both very busy. And I have came across a few bad managers.
Wetherspoons manager #1: A manager who would not leave the office and stay and watch TV during a friday and saturday night even tho it states in the company policie that he has to be front of house.
Wetherspoons manager #2: A women who would not clean tables if she was working, would only serve and every 30min take a 5 min break to smoke. (normally one 1 manager and 1 bar staff during the day)
On the other hand I have had some good managers there, people who would delegate tasks for you to do during the day and expect you to perform them, but would never ask you to do somethign they wouldnt do. Was always busy themselves and only took their breaks after they had made sure you have had yours.
My other manager is a very good manager but the field is engineering so is different industy.
KaHn