#MeToo - is it just different for men and women?

Thank you . . . seriously . . . :)

So, women are twice as likely to report domestic abuse as men. I do tend to wonder about three things:
  1. In what circumstances are men actually likely to suffer domestic abuse, from who :confused:
  2. Historically, have women been more inclined to "expect" domestic abuse than men?
  3. Are men (as a result of fear of being laughed at) less inclined to report domestic abuse than women?
Tnanks anyhow, an interesting starting point.
 
That sounds very much like a "No", as I suspected.

Of course it does, since you make stuff up to suit yourself so everything sounds like what you want to hear.

The publically available statistics are publically available, unsurprisingly. You can find them online in seconds. Why haven't you?
 
Thank you . . . seriously . . . :)

So, women are twice as likely to report domestic abuse as men. I do tend to wonder about three things:
In what circumstances are men actually likely to suffer domestic abuse, from who :confused:

Odd questions, but I'll answer them: From their partner, when their partner abuses them. What else could the answers be?
Historically, have women been more inclined to "expect" domestic abuse than men?

No way of telling with any degree of certainty because there's so little historical data on the subject. How could you, for example, assess domestic abuse and attitudes towards it in 16th century England? At best you could find a handful of pieces of information, not enough to make a reliable assessment of the whole country. For example, Shakespeare frames a husband hitting his wife as an act so bizarre and shocking that witnesses seriously question the husband's sanity. Was that the norm? Probably not. But it must have been an understandable attitude shared by at least a non-trivial amount of people or else it wouldn't have fitted into a play written then.

Are men (as a result of fear of being laughed at) less inclined to report domestic abuse than women?
Of course, but that's only one factor. Another factor is who they would report it to. Domestic violence support services are for women, not for all people. There's been a bit of a change in that recently, but too recently to remove the factor entirely. There have been cases of men who are victims of domestic abuse calling a helpline for support and being treated as an abuser. That's obviously the opposite of helpful. Why take the risk? Then there's the general trend of help not being for men and the related trend of men not asking for help even if they need it. Again, there's been a bit of a change in that recently and again it's too recent to remove the factor entirely. Then there are social norms, which treat abuse by a woman against a man extremely differently to abuse by a man against a woman, to the extent that a woman can harangue, threaten and hit a man in a public park and most witnesses will blame the victim for being a man. And yes, that has been tested. It's hardly surprising given how successful feminists have been in promoting antimale sexism over the last few decades.

There have been a number of studies that asked people about their experiences on domestic abuse (rather than relying on self-reporting to existing organisations) and got about the same results from men and women for all scales of abuse. The sole statistically significant difference is death, which could be explained by average differences in strength. That doesn't seem to affect the chance of abuse(*), but it probably would affect the chance of death from the abuse.




* The worst domestic abuse I know of personally involved a victim a foot taller than the abuser, twice their weight and probably 4 or 5 times their strength. The victim was hospitalised 3 times with broken bones. The key issue in domestic abuse is the will to do harm, not strength.
 
Have you ever lived with a female stockhausen? Have you never been thumped or slapped when you have done or said anything they don't like?

Have you never been attacked and clawed for looking in the direction of another girl? I have lived with many women over the years and they are ALL like that.

Boys are brought up not to hit girls or indeed fight back if they are being assaulted. Girls instinctively lash out physically, it's in their nature. I get slapped all the time by female members of staff at work too if I say anything off the cuff. (maybe it's me, maybe I deserve it?)

Yet, we still get fools who think men are wimps if they are beaten up by their girlfriends, or men are the only ones who are dishing it out.
 
Have you ever lived with a female stockhausen? Have you never been thumped or slapped when you have done or said anything they don't like?

Have you never been attacked and clawed for looking in the direction of another girl? I have lived with many women over the years and they are ALL like that.

Boys are brought up not to hit girls or indeed fight back if they are being assaulted. Girls instinctively lash out physically, it's in their nature. I get slapped all the time by female members of staff at work too if I say anything off the cuff. (maybe it's me, maybe I deserve it?)

Yet, we still get fools who think men are wimps if they are beaten up by their girlfriends, or men are the only ones who are dishing it out.

Ummm, if ALL your girlfriends AND female colleagues at work are slapping you for 'off the cuff comments' then the issue is likely with you.

This is not normal behaviour. And this isn't me victim blaming.

I've never been hit by any woman, other than smacked by my mum when I was younger. I can understand that men suffer from domestic violence but not throughout their home and work lives from different women!
 
Have you ever lived with a female stockhausen? Have you never been thumped or slapped when you have done or said anything they don't like?

Have you never been attacked and clawed for looking in the direction of another girl? I have lived with many women over the years and they are ALL like that.

Boys are brought up not to hit girls or indeed fight back if they are being assaulted. Girls instinctively lash out physically, it's in their nature. I get slapped all the time by female members of staff at work too if I say anything off the cuff. (maybe it's me, maybe I deserve it?)

Yet, we still get fools who think men are wimps if they are beaten up by their girlfriends, or men are the only ones who are dishing it out.
That's partly a cultural thing, because women in other countries wouldn't dream of acting like that.

Of course, neither should men. But we've had decades of feminists practically encouraging women to "rise up against the patriarchy", and look where it's got us.
 
Ummm, if ALL your girlfriends AND female colleagues at work are slapping you for 'off the cuff comments' then the issue is likely with you.

This is not normal behaviour. And this isn't me victim blaming.

I've never been hit by any woman, other than smacked by my mum when I was younger. I can understand that men suffer from domestic violence but not throughout their home and work lives from different women!

I think there's a possibility that it's not completely that clear-cut. Though I think probably not because of the thing you mentioned and emphasised - the ubiquity of it. It isn't unknown for a victim of domestic abuse to leave one abuser and end up with another. It isn't unknown for a victim of workplace bullying to be bullied by more than one person. It's part of the harm done, like an injured antelope being targetted by hyenas because it's injured. But I'm not convinced it would happen to the extraordinary extent that Clearcut states.

I'm sure you're aware that if a woman said the same thing as Clearcut and you responded the same way, you'd be villified as an extreme misogynist committing hate speech.
 
I thought I would update this thread with all of the latest developments, it seems #metoo has become a "complicated issue" for all of its biggest cheerleaders now that the Democratic Presidential nominee Joe Biden has been accused.

Celebrities like Alyssa Milano who were at the forefront of the #metoo movement simply don't want to believe the latest Tara Reade allegations because it conflicts with their voting intentions. It's quite funny actually seeing them perform mental gymnastics to try to be seen to take the side of Tara Reade while at the same time attempting to exonerate Joe Biden of any wrongdoing to make themselves feel better for supporting him. My stance has always been innocent until proven guilty but these people spent the last few years convicting people in the social media space based on mere accusations alone and now they are stuck between a rock and hard place, they either have to support Tara Reade and admit their presidential nominee is an evil man (by their own prior standards) or they don't believe her and look like total hypocrites for their previous stances of guilty by accusation for all eternity. Truly fascinating times.
 
Ummm, if ALL your girlfriends AND female colleagues at work are slapping you for 'off the cuff comments' then the issue is likely with you.

This is not normal behaviour. And this isn't me victim blaming.

I've never been hit by any woman, other than smacked by my mum when I was younger. I can understand that men suffer from domestic violence but not throughout their home and work lives from different women!

Hang on, if I as a man was to use the excuse 'I don't like what you just said' as an excuse to slap a woman, would that fly too? The answers no....

But women can do this without fear of judgment.
 
You think he's just very unlucky that every woman in his life is slapping him?

I'd love to know what these "off the cuff" comments are.


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I thought I would update this thread with all of the latest developments, it seems #metoo has become a "complicated issue" for all of its biggest cheerleaders now that the Democratic Presidential nominee Joe Biden has been accused.

Celebrities like Alyssa Milano who were at the forefront of the #metoo movement simply don't want to believe the latest Tara Reade allegations because it conflicts with their voting intentions. It's quite funny actually seeing them perform mental gymnastics to try to be seen to take the side of Tara Reade while at the same time attempting to exonerate Joe Biden of any wrongdoing to make themselves feel better for supporting him. My stance has always been innocent until proven guilty but these people spent the last few years convicting people in the social media space based on mere accusations alone and now they are stuck between a rock and hard place, they either have to support Tara Reade and admit their presidential nominee is an evil man (by their own prior standards) or they don't believe her and look like total hypocrites for their previous stances of guilty by accusation for all eternity. Truly fascinating times.

They don't care about contradicting themselves. They've been contradicting themselves since the day they chose to follow an ideology of authoritarianism and irrational prejudices that's corrupted the ideas of equality, tolerance, diversity and liberalism into the opposite of those things. They're as used to contradicting themselves as the most devout employee of the Ministry of Truth. It won't bother them in the slightest. We have always been at war with Eastasia.

Any political difficulty this latest piece of hypocrisy causes them will be very minor and very short-lived if it happens at all.
 
You think he's just very unlucky that every woman in his life is slapping him?

I'd love to know what these "off the cuff" comments are.

That's not my point, if these women are so disgusted by their work colleagues attitude or speech, you go down the correct channel to report it, not resort to violence.

If youre advocating violence against men for this sort of thing then you should be advocating for the opposite, I've had women make disgustingly sexist comments, does that give me the moral impetus to slap them?!

Sick of the double standard, and its usually men that help keep these double standards going
 
That's not my point, if these women are so disgusted by their work colleagues attitude or speech, you go down the correct channel to report it, not resort to violence.

If youre advocating violence against men for this sort of thing then you should be advocating for the opposite, I've had women make disgustingly sexist comments, does that give me the moral impetus to slap them?!

Sick of the double standard, and its usually men that help keep these double standards going

How am I advocating it? I'm saying the situation seems very unlikely and think the person who posted that is likely to be lying.
 
How am I advocating it? I'm saying the situation seems very unlikely and think the person who posted that is likely to be lying.

Because you said if it was true the issue was with him.

You did make the point that if it's true it was his fault.

You have actually pretty comprehensively made his point for him


Man makes allegation of abuse

And the first two arguments you make are

"You're lying women dont hit men"

And

"If you are telling the truth you deserve it"

I mean from a "why dont men report stuff" perspective, you've been a perfect example
 
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