#MeToo - is it just different for men and women?

The Alex Salmond, trial, has a lot of similarities, if you've heard reporting ... she thought she couldn't say anything because he was the most powerful man in Scotland,
the lack of empowerment the women (sorry) say, they felt, is just difficult to understand/relate too.
The quotes reported on her replies to the defense seem highly wordsmithed/prepared too, which I don't know how the judge addresses.

edit: it's unfortunate that none of these trials are televised, since it's difficult to appraises, yourself, how effectively justice is being done
 
robgmun said:
Oh please, he's not going to be locked up in a state penitentiary, just watch, he'll end up in some cushy open prison with his own guards in a nice room
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That's what they said about Epstein. Didn't work out so well for him. He chose to kill himself rather than endure another minute in prison.
 
Evangelion said:
No, I mean death sentence because he's likely to die in jail if he serves that long.
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I think the connotations around using that term are misleading. Life sentence would better represent what you are trying to convey.

Evangelion said:
Even if his lawyers bargain it down by 15 years, there's a good chance he could be murdered while he's locked up.
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I think that's unlikely.
 
The WBO super-middleweight champion Billy Joe Saunders, 30 has apologised after posting a video on social media in which he advised men how to hit their female partners during the coronavirus lockdown.

In the video Saunders uses a punch bag to explain how to react if "your old woman is giving you mouth" and showing how to "hit her on the chin".
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It seems that instances of domestic violence against women have increased following the COVID-19 pandemic and since they cannot leave the house or flee to a refuge they cannot escape the violence advocated by this thug and yet there are people, even on this forum, who will insist that men are the long-suffering victims :rolleyes:
 
stockhausen said:
It seems that instances of domestic violence against women have increased following the COVID-19 pandemic and since they cannot leave the house or flee to a refuge they cannot escape the violence advocated by this thug and yet there are people, even on this forum, who will insist that men are the long-suffering victims :rolleyes:
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What's your point there?

That female victims are real victims and male victims aren't?

Why wouldn't you just say that all domestic abuse is abhorrent, regardless of the sex of the victim?

People don't take white-knighting seriously because it's all about agendas rather than fixing the world's problems.
 
It's very strange reading the way the media report on the story.

I have no opinion either way regarding Salmond and his politics. However, the man's been found not guilty and acquitted yet the media seem to be treating him as though he's "gotten away with it....!"?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-52078493

Look at the language in this article. Can anyone honestly say this is acceptable in the context of someone who's been found innocent by the justice system?

And even after being found innocent the women who made the false and fabricated accusations (I presume I can say that given it was the verdict of the court!) have no actions taken against them and are allowed to remain anonymous. All this despite continuing to protest and complain about the verdict of the court to the press.

It shouldn't be allowed to anonymously drag someone's name through the mud with no repercussions to yourself in a modern civil justice system.

If you're going to withhold the name of the accuser then the accused should also be afforded the same anonymity until the verdict has been reached.

Why isn't that the standard approach to trials like this as it seems like the only fair way to do it?
 
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FoxEye said:
What's your point there?
That female victims are real victims and male victims aren't?
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How did you come to that strange interpretation?
The thread title reads "#MeToo - is it just different for men and women?".
I would suggest that yes, it is different for men and women, women are much more frequently the victims of domestic violence than men and I posted an example of a "man" apparently encouraging and condoning this behaviour before subsequently apologising for his stupidity.
 
silvagti said:
It's very strange reading the way the media reports on the story.

I have no opinion either way regarding Salmond and his politics. However, the man has been found not guilty and acquitted yet the media seems to be treating him as though he's "gotten away with it....!"?
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If you're going to withhold the name of the accuser then the accused should also be afforded the same anonymity until the verdict has been reached.
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According to the Sunday Times, Gordon Jackson QC who defended Salmond was caught on video by a fellow passenger on the Edinburgh-Glasgow train a week into the trial describing the former first minister as a "sex pest" and a bully.

He allegedly said "I don't know much about senior politicians but he was quite an objectionable bully to work with, in a way that I don't think Nicola Sturgeon is I think he was a nasty person to work for...a nightmare to work for."

I expect that he will claim to have "misspoken" :rolleyes:


Oh, yeah, I gather that the QC is also alleged to have named two of Salmond's accusers while chatting on the train - an odd thing to do for someone who is presumably familiar with the Courts' policy on naming victims :confused:
 
stockhausen said:
It seems that instances of domestic violence against women have increased following the COVID-19 pandemic and since they cannot leave the house or flee to a refuge they cannot escape the violence advocated by this thug and yet there are people, even on this forum, who will insist that men are the long-suffering victims :rolleyes:
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The evidence is that instances of domestic violence have increased since the lockdown. Not only against women.

You are so devoutly sexist that you proudly dismiss all victims who you regard as being the wrong sex. Your criticism of other people is based solely on the fact that they're not as sexist as you are.
 
I was going to post that as well, but after watching the video, he doesn’t seem to call him a sex pest in it at all. Slags him off a bit but doesn’t call him that.

Bigger issue is the casual discussion of an ongoing court case in a public place, anybody else could have been looking at a contempt of court charge and a short stay at HM pleasure!
 
stockhausen said:
According to the Sunday Times, Gordon Jackson QC who defended Salmond was caught on video by a fellow passenger on the Edinburgh-Glasgow train a week into the trial describing the former first minister as a "sex pest" and a bully.

He allegedly said "I don't know much about senior politicians but he was quite an objectionable bully to work with, in a way that I don't think Nicola Sturgeon is I think he was a nasty person to work for...a nightmare to work for."

I expect that he will claim to have "misspoken" :rolleyes:


Oh, yeah, I gather that the QC is also alleged to have named two of Salmond's accusers while chatting on the train - an odd thing to do for someone who is presumably familiar with the Courts' policy on naming victims :confused:
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I'd have to hear exactly what he said before making a judgement on the details, but if he said anything at all he should be investigated for professional misconduct at least. Which is happening, apparently.

Interesting that you use "alleged" when referring to something someone is claimed to have done but which has not yet been formally investigated let alone proven but don't do so when referring to something someone is claimed to have done after they have been put on trial for it and acquitted. Why?
 
stockhausen said:
Do you have access to any statistics as to the frequency of domestic violence attacks against men and women?
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Only the publically available range of statistics, which you also have access to. Although I doubt if you do access them. What would be the point?
 
stockhausen said:
Do you have access to any statistics as to the frequency of domestic violence attacks against men and women?
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I suspect my neighbours are going to kill each other by the time it's all over. They argue all the time, their kids have no discipline, the dog isn't trained. All in a small 2 bedroom house.
 
stockhausen said:
That sounds very much like a "No", as I suspected.
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They are not exactly hard to find.

4.Sex
For the year ending March 2019, the Crime Survey for England and Wales (CSEW) estimated that 1.6 million women and 786,000 men aged 16 to 741 years experienced domestic abuse in the last year (Appendix Table 2a). This equates to a prevalence rate of approximately 7 in 100 women and 4 in 100 men (Figure 1).
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Women report more domestic abuse per capita but a significant amount of people that report it are male (just under a third from the source I quote).

And given that it may not be unreasonable to suggest that men may under report domestic abuse at a higher rate than women the figures might be somewhat closer than thoose reported.

There is a bigger disparity in homicides where, if we exclude same sex homicide, the figures for the year quoted show 260 male on female homicides vs 46 female on male cases making men about 15% of the domestic homicides where the sex of thoose involved was different.

Gay men, unsurprisingly, appear more likely to kill their partners than lesbians at 50 vs 10 homicides respectively but it would appear that same sex domestic homicide is, per capita, far higher than heterosexual homicide, at least judging by people self report with 93.2% of people surveyed reporting they were heterosexual in fairly recent figures (with the remaining 6.8% not necessarily being gay or bisexual as it includes thoose that refused to answer or answered 'other' )
 
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