Poll: Mexico Grand Prix 2016, Mexico City - Race 19/21
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Where is Maldonado though?
Soldato
Very underwhelming race for me, right up there with the most dull of the season. 3/10.
IMO Hamilton made a big error at the start, but the unwritten yet oft-spoken rule from Charlie is that anything is fair game at the start of the race. Rosberg did the only thing he could in that position - I didn't see that as being worthy of a penalty or even an investigation.
Max and Set? Max certainly screwed up, more than Vettel, and the crucial thing for me was Di Resta's analysis that he could easily have made the corner on the run off but chose to cut it instead. I think that's what the RBR garage saw too (giving the place back is irrelevant here, as there was no overtake, more like give the place up). However, with fewer than five laps remaining he was perfectly entitled to keep his place and take his chances. I didn't see a sour reaction from him in the podium room - I thought he was quite light-hearted about the whole thing.
Vettel vs Ricciardo - I think I'd have pushed that upstairs to the stewards and investigated after the race. This is a rule that's just been formally introduced and it seemed borderline. Yes Vettel left space but yes Vettel moved under braking back in the opposite direction to his previous defensive move. They've missed an opportunity to actually properly define that rule, as now it seems you can move back under braking provided that you leave space.
Vettel's radio is fine - far worse goes on during a normal race but it is just the promoter choosing to air it (I wonder why...).
None of that takes away from the fact that, despite a bumper crowd with great stands, this was an incredibly dull procession of a race and the track really is uninspiring. I won't be looking forward to this with the 2017 rules in place.
IMO Hamilton made a big error at the start, but the unwritten yet oft-spoken rule from Charlie is that anything is fair game at the start of the race. Rosberg did the only thing he could in that position - I didn't see that as being worthy of a penalty or even an investigation.
Max and Set? Max certainly screwed up, more than Vettel, and the crucial thing for me was Di Resta's analysis that he could easily have made the corner on the run off but chose to cut it instead. I think that's what the RBR garage saw too (giving the place back is irrelevant here, as there was no overtake, more like give the place up). However, with fewer than five laps remaining he was perfectly entitled to keep his place and take his chances. I didn't see a sour reaction from him in the podium room - I thought he was quite light-hearted about the whole thing.
Vettel vs Ricciardo - I think I'd have pushed that upstairs to the stewards and investigated after the race. This is a rule that's just been formally introduced and it seemed borderline. Yes Vettel left space but yes Vettel moved under braking back in the opposite direction to his previous defensive move. They've missed an opportunity to actually properly define that rule, as now it seems you can move back under braking provided that you leave space.
Vettel's radio is fine - far worse goes on during a normal race but it is just the promoter choosing to air it (I wonder why...).
None of that takes away from the fact that, despite a bumper crowd with great stands, this was an incredibly dull procession of a race and the track really is uninspiring. I won't be looking forward to this with the 2017 rules in place.
People saying that turn 1 lap 1 incident should have been treated the same as Max vs. Vettel are missing the point that one was a turn 1 lap 1 incident, which are judged against different criteria. Kyvat was given a 5 second penalty for leaving the track and gaining an advantage by doing so, the stewards decisions were consistent.
People have at last (except for Sky) realised that Max isn't going to grow up on his own hence the rule book being used to bring him in line. Being prepared to take both cars off the circuit unless your opponent yields doesn't make you a great driver.
People have at last (except for Sky) realised that Max isn't going to grow up on his own hence the rule book being used to bring him in line. Being prepared to take both cars off the circuit unless your opponent yields doesn't make you a great driver.
Soldato
Well the F1 has been a lot more exciting with Max in the running, pity they all aren't like him.
It's funny how Max gets a penalty yet Lewis got away with it (and yes he did get away with it, he made a mistake cut the corner gained distance just not a place), that just isn't fair one rule for one and not for the others. Moving under braking seems ok if it's someone else does it just not Max.
It's funny how Max gets a penalty yet Lewis got away with it (and yes he did get away with it, he made a mistake cut the corner gained distance just not a place), that just isn't fair one rule for one and not for the others. Moving under braking seems ok if it's someone else does it just not Max.
Ted was just saying that they only didn't put Hamilton because of the title implications and any normal race he would've been pitted to rid him of the badly flat spotted tyres. He also mentioned his exhaust temps were really really high too which was odd but why they told him to turn everything down.
a lot of fuss over Max not giving up the position, he isn't a race steward and shouldn't give up a place because another driver cried on the radio. Its up to the stewards to decide not him.
He got a penalty and looked like he accepted it and left the podium room. If they had not given him a penalty he would have given up a podium position for no reason.
What Vettel did was much worse, one of the cars could have easily flipped if they had come together.
He got a penalty and looked like he accepted it and left the podium room. If they had not given him a penalty he would have given up a podium position for no reason.
What Vettel did was much worse, one of the cars could have easily flipped if they had come together.
But he dropped back to Rosberg who had also cut the corner behind him?! The. You had the vsc and sc before they'd even reached the end of the lap so it would've been a bit harsh.
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Personally think the Max penalty was justified. If he'd have rejoined the circuit rather than cut the corner it would have been behind vettel.
Soldato
Yes they do view things different on lap 1 however cutting a corner gains an advantage, he didn't loose a place but gained a distance, considering at the start the leader tries to build up a 1 sec gap for drs. That sends a message saying it is acceptable on lap one, maybe everyone should do it then.
Soldato
Exactly he didn't do anything wrong, if the stewards had said immediately to give back the place he wouldn't have ignored that. He saw that Hamilton had got away with something similar and took a 50/50 gamble that he may to.
Lewis would have likely caused a pile up if he slowed down enough to stay on the track.
I'd say it was more likely to back Ric into Vettel quickly so he gets past and then argue about not being able to give the place back after.
Soldato
Yeah, he said that wasnt the case but I think it was, which again is fair enough it's a team battle so it was great thinking if so.
Just watched his post race interview, sounds like what you said the first time - if you believe what he says of course
Soldato
It would be ironic if Vettel gets the first penalty regarding line changes under braking, after his raging about Max at several races before the official rule change.
Soldato
The message that anything goes on lap one (unless you're Fat John flying inches above other drivers' heads) has been a clear one from Charlie for some time now. It is, however, enforced inconsistently.
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Soldato
Err.... No.