*** Microsoft Windows 11 Thoughts & Discussion Thread ***

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You can force Windows Update to get it by changing this gpedit.msc policy from not configured, to:

Computer Configuration > Administrative Templates > Windows Components > Windows Update > Manage updates offered from Windows Update

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Once WU has got it, simply set it back to not configured.
 
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Installing from an ISO to a fresh virtual machine and the installer still shows it's true roots of Windows 7.

I don't know why they don't just do things properly and make a new installer.

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darael said:
Installing from an ISO to a fresh virtual machine and the installer still shows it's true roots of Windows 7.

I don't know why they don't just do things properly and make a new installer.
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The WinPE part? There is really no need to change this part from including new drivers for network and storage.
 
Mujja said:
The WinPE part? There is really no need to change this part from including new drivers for network and storage.
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I don't think it reflects well on Microsoft if they can't be bothered to make such a minor change. At least the installer's UI would then be in keeping with the rest of Windows 11 if they made the change, rather than making the end user wonder what other minor things Microsoft can't be bothered to sort out.

pastymuncher said:
This should have us all worried. It look's like they are going to force this co-pilot crap on us at some point and recall is being relaunched in November. No bloody thank you Microsoft. If this stuff can't be turned off and preferably uninstalled then I am done with Windows.
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All the more reason to stick with Windows 10, unless we can find a way to permanently uninstall this tripe.
 
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There will always be a way of uninstalling it. The thought of sticking to W10 is short-sighted, for starters gaming performance will be compromised given the advances in APIs and engine technology leveraging new OS features, especially with 24H2 showing to be noticeably better for gaming especially on AMD systems. And then there are the security concerns since W10 is end of line and no longer supported by any vendor or any product where drivers would otherwise be provided.

As for the installer, I think it's a trivial thing, revamping the installer makes no difference to the end result, to install Windows, so there's no need to change a part of the process so few people will ever see.

Both are relatively non-issues, the average user won't be aware or even likely care about either, the power user will always have a method to disable anything they feel is suspect for the most part.
 
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mrk said:
There will always be a way of uninstalling it. The thought of sticking to W10 is short-sighted, for starters gaming performance will be compromised given the advances in APIs and engine technology leveraging new OS features, especially with 24H2 showing to be noticeably better for gaming especially on AMD systems. And then there are the security concerns since W10 is end of line and no longer supported by any vendor or any product where drivers would otherwise be provided.

As for the installer, I think it's a trivial thing, revamping the installer makes no difference to the end result, to install Windows, so there's no need to change a part of the process so few people will ever see.

Both are relatively non-issues, the average user won't be aware or even likely care about either, the power user will always have a method to disable anything they feel is suspect for the most part.
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Still tinkering with my Windows 11 24H2 install, but Copilot can be uninstalled fairly easily through Settings.

I honestly have zero need to install Windows 11 right now and my hardware doesn't officially support Windows 11 either. But at least with my tinkering, when I inevitably have to install Windows 11 after eventually upgrading my hardware, I'll least know I can disable most of the garbage on Windows 11.

Maybe I'm being petty about the installer, but it's irked me for years why they've not bothered updating it. Sure it makes no difference, but it's still laziness on Microsoft's part to not keep the Windows 11 UI consistent right from installation.
 
Armageus said:
They can't keep the actual UI bits that you use everyday consistent, so expecting a one time use installer to be consistent is asking for a miracle
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The installer only consists of a few windows. I didn't imagine that it'd be difficult to update the style of these to match the Windows 11 UI. Obviously you won't want the full bells and whistle UI, like the Start menu, taskbar, etc.

I'll drop it now.
 
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Any ideas why explorer looks like this? No option for adding new windows with using a new tab, I even tried keyboard shortcut and didn't work.

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Fresh Win11 24h2 install.
 
Has anybody tested 24H2 with the latest stable version of VirtualBox yet? I'm getting weird issues at login - graphical issues, then explorer seems to enter a loop trying to start and I can't see the taskbar or Start menu.

I did install the preview update KB5043178, so I tried startup repair - this wouldn't uninstall the quality update and uninstalling feature update failed too, so I've ended up trying the reset my PC option.

Whatever happens, I'm going to reinstall Windows 11 and see if it's the guest additions from VirtualBox that causes the issue or the preview update.
 
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I have not used VirtualBox for a few months, but I found that using 3D acceleration always seemed to cause this behaviour with Windows guests. As long as you don't need 3D, one of the legacy graphics modes should solve the problem.
 
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darael said:
Installing from an ISO to a fresh virtual machine and the installer still shows it's true roots of Windows 7.

I don't know why they don't just do things properly and make a new installer.
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Unless using UWP, etc. the basic standard UI implementation when developing software for Windows 10/11 is Common Controls version 6 which is basically Windows 7 and underlying that is still version 5 XP/Vista (you can use SetWindowTheme on individual controls to disable visual themes and get basically Windows XP style). The Windows 11 UI is then basically, and mostly literally, painted over the top of that in real time. They've had 3 attempts at transparent glass style windows and the latest incarnation Mica looks like it is being abandoned for probably another half-arsed attempt and is an absolute abomination to program for unless you use UWP.

As a former MS developer (not Windows AFAIK) said the current crop of developers are very poor custodians of the Windows OS.
 
zola25 said:
I have not used VirtualBox for a few months, but I found that using 3D acceleration always seemed to cause this behaviour with Windows guests. As long as you don't need 3D, one of the legacy graphics modes should solve the problem.
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Resetting Windows seemed to work at first, but as soon as the machine was powered off then back on Windows still crashed when logging the user in - so resetting Windows actually failed.

3D acceleration wasn't enabled (I used the default settings when creating a VM), so I changed the graphics controller from VBoxSVGA to VBoxVGA and Windows appears to work again. Magic!
 
mrk said:
Both are relatively non-issues, the average user won't be aware or even likely care about either, the power user will always have a method to disable anything they feel is suspect for the most part.
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And MS will have way to sneakily enable it.

If they go down this route I will dual boot.
 
TNA said:
And MS will have way to sneakily enable it.

If they go down this route I will dual boot.
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It is like with the opt-out of AI on FB, does anyone seriously believe they'll honour that? I certainly don't.

MS has a long history of ignoring your preferences and this stuff is getting more and more embedded into the OS. This quote for me means: we rewrote the OS to gobble as much data from you as possible. There's no off switch for that.

Starting today, we begin to release the Windows 11 2024 Update, also referred to as Windows 11, version 24H2. This update is a full operating system (OS) swap that contains new foundational elements required to deliver transformational AI experiences and exceptional performance.
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How to get new experiences for Windows 11

Today, Pavan Davuluri announced the latest Copilot+ PC innovation and the availability of the Windows 11 2024 Update. We are excited to continue to bring the power of AI and new expe
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