Microsoft Windows 8.2 Scheduled For January 2014

V F said:
Thing is, if you don't change how do you improve… stagnate in the past? bringing something old back is not moving on and evolving.
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try making the old start menu lovers understand that, ;)

but if MS really wants to stop the old start menu lovers form moaning then adding a option would do that. but personally if I was MS I wouldn't bring it back and I wish they don't. I would just let old start menu lovers moan, because at some point they will have to move forward
 
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V F said:
Thing is, if you don't change how do you improve… stagnate in the past? bringing something old back is not moving on and evolving.
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Taking a tiny slimline menu which takes an eighth of the screen and turning it into a massive fullscreen application in it's own right full of annoying gimmicky touch oriented shortcuts is not evolution or improvement of anything.

It's like saying a 1 page restaurant menu typed in 11pt font should be turned into 15 pages of 18pt text with loads of fold-out pages and pictures of all the dishes and loads of padding line spaces for it to be an improvement. Which is just LOL.


The choice between textual and pictographic should have been the user's - always.
The only reason Microsoft has defaulted to Metro is because they're greedy and want to increase their mobile app market share by force. It's not because it's an improvement or anything lol, if you believe that then well..... Idk.
 
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asim18 said:
Taking a tiny slimline menu which takes an eighth of the screen and turning it into a massive fullscreen application in it's own right full of annoying gimmicky touch oriented shortcuts is not evolution or improvement of anything.

It's like saying a 1 page restaurant menu typed in 11pt font should be turned into 15 pages of 18pt text with loads of fold-out pages and pictures of all the dishes and loads of padding line spaces for it to be an improvement. Which is just LOL.


The choice between textual and pictographic should have been the user's - always.
The only reason Microsoft has defaulted to Metro is because they're greedy and want to increase their mobile app market share by force. It's not because it's an improvement or anything lol, if you believe that then well..... Idk.
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maybe for you and some other people find it not a improvement but there are also people that do find it an improvement.

just because you think it's not an improvement doesn't mean that for other people.
 
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gareth170 said:
maybe for you and some other people find it not a improvement but there are people that do find it an improvement.

just because you think it's not an improvement doesn't mean that for other people.
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Well that's all subjective. Even if it "really" is an improvement.

If all you want is a simple textual list of common tasks and programs then it cannot characteristically be improved. If you want this menu turned into a self contained operating system in it's own right filled with lots of flashy graphics, apps, padding, flicks, drags, swipes, large fonts and the weather, then it's not even an improvement, it's a completely different thing.

They could have released Metro for windows 7. I mean 8 is basically 7 with a better file transfer dialogue and task manager. But the fact is, it wouldn't have served it's purpose which is to force their app market share to skyrocket. And it also wouldn't serve it's purpose if they made Metro a choice in Win8.


I have nothing against Windows 8, I'm one of the few people who thinks Vista was a great OS, I used it from release until Win7 Beta. My gripe is with this forced infiltration of crapps and the greedy reason behind it.
 
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personally a tiny menu with a long list is more difficult to see and having to scroll more (I know you can type the first few latters, but i'm on about using just the mouse), etc then having a start screen with titles which has rows and can display much more and easier to see, more customable, etc. so you have to stop what you looking at for afew second you open something from the start screen, it's not the end of the world.
 
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gareth170 said:
personally a tiny menu with a long list is more difficult to see and having to scroll more (I know you can type the first few latters), etc then having a start screen with titles which has rows and can display much more and easier to see, more customable.
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Yes I can totally appreciate that, and I can understand why many do like it.

But personally, the tiny menu is so much more versatile. You don't even have to scroll unless you're using the default behaviour. You can customise all your programs into separate folders. One for Maintenance applications, one for Media applications, etc., once it's nicely organised you don't have to scroll at all.

Also its much easier while actively multitasking. Like for example if I have to open the browser to check something or notepad to take notes while watching a film, I can do that brilliantly with the tiny menu. Desktop snap was introduced with Win7. But with metro, it would blank the whole screen, then I'd be reminded about the terrible weather while looking for the browser or whatever. :p
 
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asim18 said:
Yes I can totally appreciate that, and I can understand why many do like it.

But personally, the tiny menu is so much more versatile. You don't even have to scroll unless you're using the default behaviour. You can customise all your programs into separate folders. One for Maintenance applications, one for Media applications, etc., once it's nicely organised you don't have to scroll at all.

Also its much easier while actively multitasking. Like for example if I have to open the browser to check something or notepad to take notes while watching a film, I can do that brilliantly with the tiny menu. Desktop snap was introduced with Win7. But with metro, it would blank the whole screen, then I'd be reminded about the terrible weather while looking for the browser or whatever. :p
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if stopping what you looking at for afew second while you open something from the start screen bothers you, you could do that with the win-x menu just add your favourite programs to it.
 
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gareth170 said:
if stopping what you looking at for afew second while you open something from the start screen bothers you, you could do that with the win-x menu just add your favourite programs to it.
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I'm not a totally classic shell guy you know. :p

I would like my application menu to have a bit of style and colour. Win+X is a bit too classic. And I'm not sure if you can have folders in it. I'd rather use a start menu replacement than Win+X personally.

Until metro is deployed as an option or is at least completely removable, I cant see myself using Win8. Even with a start menu replacement, it crops up here and there and almost makes me spit my drink out. :o

What they've done is unfair. I mean you can even choose classic shell in Windows 7. There was no financial or market advantage for stripping out the classic shell in Windows 7, so they left it there. But there is financial and market disadvantage by leaving classic start in Windows 8, so nope, completely stripped out of the code so Metro can stay in your face.
 
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so basically the old start menu lovers will never see past the start menu, so windows UI must stay the same with a start menu forever just for some of you people. that's how your making or sounding it. if you don't like windows without the old start menu then simply move to a another OS, nothing is stopping you. you have to remember it's MS OS they made it they can change whatever they want. if your that bothered about having a start menu then get a term together and make your own OS and put how many start menus you like on it..
 
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gareth170 said:
so basically the old start menu lovers will never see past the start menu, so windows UI must stay the same with a start menu forever just for some of you people. that's how your making or sounding it. if you don't like windows without the old start menu then simply move to a another OS, nothing is stopping you. you have to remember it's MS OS they made it they can change whatever they want. if your that bothered about having a start menu then get a term together and make your own OS and put how many start menus you like on it..
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Metro isn't a start menu though. It's a self contained Windows Phone app emulator which I simply wouldn't want anywhere near my mobile phone let alone my workhorse PC.

The amount of stuff that's been removable over the years. Ever seen the "Windows Features" installation menu? Metro nowhere to be seen on there.

Do you need Metro crapps it to run Windows? Not a chance.
Do you need Metro crapps so Microsoft can say "Yeah we have this many app users"? Absolutely.
 
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asim18 said:
Metro isn't a start menu though. It's a self contained Windows Phone app emulator which I simply don't want anywhere near my workhorse PC let alone my mobile phone.
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it is a start menu^^^^ and the start screen is where you can custom it to add your most used programs, just like on the old start menu.. just because it's a more graphical titled UI instead of the test list UI doesn't make it any less of a start menu
 
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V F said:
Heh, so much hate even a year later.
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I know.

has I said above "the old start menu lovers will never see past the old start menu, so windows UI must stay the same with the old start menu forever just for the old start menu lovers." that's how it's turning out to be.
 
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If it allows the option to completely skip "Metro" and have the proper Windows 7 start menu without third party software im all for it,Wouldn't pay anything for it though...these options should have been available in 8.1.
 
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