Miss England- Having a laugh?

SiHH · 2 Apr 2008 at 14:27

pheebs said:
Oh my lordy lord.

Some of you guys are the WHOLE reason why us women have such complexes over our bodies.

Ok, the girls not a stick nor your standard size 0 model but CHRIST. Some of the things being said is exactly the kind of thing I would expect to hear from a bunch of pubescent, thick skulled, idiotic school children.

What is wrong with you people?!!?!

Yes, fine, we all have our own definition of attractive but does that grant us the right to go slagging off this girl, who I a) think is damn brave to do what she's doing when she has to contend with such dweebs as yourselves and b) you know NOTHING about. How on EARTH did someone come to the conclusion she's not a role model? Just because she's not a stick she's a bad influence?! I'm not being funny but if we are going to look at it like that - what about Dawn French? What a bloody fantastic woman we have there. You saying she's a poor role model too because she's obese? Rubbish.

And before you start ranting at me that this is a beauty competition and thus not a good role model as it will make girls run out and stuff their faces with "Pasties" and things... you're mad. Never ever in this world will we see this happen - please do prove me wrong and by all means point me in the direction of any case studies of women eating themselves silly so they can get larger and therefore "more attractive". I imagine you will find yourselves a realm of anorexia studies on your quest.

Oh yes, and coming back to comments like "pasty" muncher and thus... they are just not needed. For all you know she could be a bloody good healthy eater but nooooo. Just throw in the presumptions and insults and rip her apart like a pack of animals. Go on. No harm done in stuff like that is there?

Seriously... People like you make me sick. Literally too. I have been to hell and back with problems about how I look and feel about myself and it's because of the likes of some of you. Your comments and degrading thoughts WRECK peoples lives. WRECK them.

Please note, this isn't by any means directed at everyone on this thread. I'm sure it's quite evident which people I am referring to.

I cannot believe any of this. I am shocked and disgusted at so many of you it's unbelievable.

Can I just say I am so happy people haven't all jumped on the slagging-the-girl off bandwagon and have managed to state your opinions in a non offensive manner. Hopefully some idiots on here will learn from the likes of you guys.

Fair comments

Dj_Jestar · 2 Apr 2008 at 14:28

a big hug for pheebs

*e-hug*

hamesy · 2 Apr 2008 at 14:28

pheebs said:
SNIP

Well said

SiHH · 2 Apr 2008 at 14:29

pheebs said:
Oh my lordy lord.

Some of you guys are the WHOLE reason why us women have such complexes over our bodies.

I think the media should share a MASSIVE portion of the blame too dont you think ?

robbiemc · 2 Apr 2008 at 14:29

That first picture of her looks a bit fake to me, I wouldn't be surprised if the Daily Mail had 'accentuated' her curves to make some sort of retarded point that they typically do.

Saying that, though, I've dated girls from size 8 to 18, and can firmly say that if a girls proportions are right, then it doesn't matter if they're a larger dress size. Sadly in the first pic her proportions are all wrong, her boobs are too small, and her thighs are huge, which just makes her look unbalanced.

I've actually dated a plus sized model and can certainly say that bigger can indeed be stunning.

Oh, and I'm sure people here realise that thin does not equal healthy, I'm quite sure that many of the traditional sized 'beauty pageant' models have terrible diets that are designed to keep them slim.

Doohickey · 2 Apr 2008 at 14:29

Muffin` said:
Women don't look like Lucy Pinder and having a role model that looks normal is not a bad thing

Fair enough, but this is a beauty contest, not Miss Role Model 2008.

Doohickey · 2 Apr 2008 at 14:30

robbiemc said:
plus sized model

Not specifically aimed at you, but why why why why why do people say this? It sounds so retarded.

Morba · 2 Apr 2008 at 14:31

robbiemc said:
Saying that, though, I've dated girls from size 8 to 18, and can firmly say that if a girls proportions are right, then it doesn't matter if they're a larger dress size.

Exactly!!
Tried to say that many times in similar threads, the children of ocuk think thin is the only way to be.

Dj_Jestar · 2 Apr 2008 at 14:31

Because if you say "model" you instantly think of Kate Moss figure.

The Dread Pirate · 2 Apr 2008 at 14:31

Lysander said:
tl;dr

Conclusion: you're fat

Now thats not very gentleman like *Slaps Lysander with dueling glove*
I challenge thee to fistycuffs at dawn

Morba · 2 Apr 2008 at 14:31

Doohickey said:
Not specifically aimed at you, but why why why why why do people say this? It sounds so retarded.

Because thats what they are called in the 'industry'

platypus · 2 Apr 2008 at 14:32

pheebs said:
Oh my lordy lord.

Some of you guys are the WHOLE reason why us women have such complexes over our bodies.

Don't complain as if it's a one way thing.

Yes, fine, we all have our own definition of attractive but does that grant us the right to go slagging off this girl, who I a) think is damn brave to do what she's doing when she has to contend with such dweebs as yourselves and b) you know NOTHING about. How on EARTH did someone come to the conclusion she's not a role model?

We have the right to comment on how we think she looks because she's joined a competition to promote just that. Or are you unclear as to how the Miss-wherever competitions work?

Have you read the thread? Several people have questioned her validity as a role model because she's large. Size 16 may be the UK average, but that does not mean we should be celebrating it: ergo people have questioned her validity as a role model. Is that clear?

And before you start ranting at me that this is a beauty competition and thus not a good role model as it will make girls run out and stuff their faces with "Pasties" and things... you're mad. Never ever in this world will we see this happen - please do prove me wrong and by all means point me in the direction of any case studies of women eating themselves silly so they can get larger and therefore "more attractive". I imagine you will find yourselves a realm of anorexia studies on your quest.

I'd say you're being irrational but..

Oh yes, and coming back to comments like "pasty" muncher and thus... they are just not needed. For all you know she could be a bloody good healthy eater but nooooo. Just throw in the presumptions and insults and rip her apart like a pack of animals. Go on. No harm done in stuff like that is there?

People will be childish every where. Your rather over the top ranting is also out of place.

the rest of it

Seriously. If you can't post in a sensible manner, you have no place criticising others.

Zefan · 2 Apr 2008 at 14:33

platypus said:
Don't complain as if it's a one way thing.

We have the right to comment on how we think she looks because she's joined a competition to promote just that. Or are you unclear as to how the Miss-wherever competitions work?

Have you read the thread? Several people have questioned her validity as a role model because she's large. Size 16 may be the UK average, but that does not mean we should be celebrating it: ergo people have questioned her validity as a role model. Is that clear?

I'd say you're being irrational but..

People will be childish every where. Your rather over the top ranting is also out of place.

Seriously. If you can't post in a sensible manner, you have no place criticising others.

Thanks for posting that, saved me doing it.

SiHH · 2 Apr 2008 at 14:33

platypus said:
Don't complain as if it's a one way thing.

We have the right to comment on how we think she looks because she's joined a competition to promote just that. Or are you unclear as to how the Miss-wherever competitions work?

Have you read the thread? Several people have questioned her validity as a role model because she's large. Size 16 may be the UK average, but that does not mean we should be celebrating it: ergo people have questioned her validity as a role model. Is that clear?

I'd say you're being irrational but..

People will be childish every where. Your rather over the top ranting is also out of place.

Seriously. If you can't post in a sensible manner, you have no place criticising others.

Give the girl a break seriously.

_dogma_ · 2 Apr 2008 at 14:34

pheebs said:
Oh my lordy lord.

Some of you guys are the WHOLE reason why us women have such complexes over our bodies.

Ok, the girls not a stick nor your standard size 0 model but CHRIST. Some of the things being said is exactly the kind of thing I would expect to hear from a bunch of pubescent, thick skulled, idiotic school children.

What is wrong with you people?!!?!

Yes, fine, we all have our own definition of attractive but does that grant us the right to go slagging off this girl, who I a) think is damn brave to do what she's doing when she has to contend with such dweebs as yourselves and b) you know NOTHING about.

Oh yes, and coming back to comments like "pasty" muncher and thus... they are just not needed. For all you know she could be a bloody good healthy eater but nooooo. Just throw in the presumptions and insults and rip her apart like a pack of animals. Go on. No harm done in stuff like that is there?

Seriously... People like you make me sick. Literally too. I have been to hell and back with problems about how I look and feel about myself and it's because of the likes of some of you. Your comments and degrading thoughts WRECK peoples lives. WRECK them.

.

Well said Pheebs. If I had half the amount of self-confidence this girl has I would be extremely happy. The fact she is happy enough to stand and be judged my numerous people I find amazing!

platypus · 2 Apr 2008 at 14:34

SiHH said:
Give the girl a break seriously.

Why? If she's going to post a largely nonsensical rant, she should expect some comeback.

I'm all for general discussion, but someone just shouting at the screen needs to take a step back and think for a minute.

Dj_Jestar · 2 Apr 2008 at 14:34

platypus said:
Don't complain as if it's a one way thing.

We have the right to comment on how we think she looks because she's joined a competition to promote just that. Or are you unclear as to how the Miss-wherever competitions work?

Have you read the thread? Several people have questioned her validity as a role model because she's large. Size 16 may be the UK average, but that does not mean we should be celebrating it: ergo people have questioned her validity as a role model. Is that clear?

I'd say you're being irrational but..

People will be childish every where. Your rather over the top ranting is also out of place.

Seriously. If you can't post in a sensible manner, you have no place criticising others.

Are you seriously trying to imply that men are under as much pressure as women over image?

Excuse me a sec..

*hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha*

SiHH · 2 Apr 2008 at 14:35

platypus said:
Why? If she's going to post a largely nonsensical rant, she should expect some comeback.

I'm all for general discussion, but someone just shouting at the screen needs to take a step back and think for a minute.

I just thought it was a bit harsh to be honest.

platypus · 2 Apr 2008 at 14:36

Dj_Jestar said:
Are you seriously trying to imply that men are under as much pressure as women over image?

Excuse me a sec..

Do grow up. Whilst talking percentages is a rather moot thing to do, men are obviously under less pressure then women when it comes to image.

This does not remove the hypocrisy from Phoebs post.

Things change I've changed · 2 Apr 2008 at 14:36

pheebs said:
Seriously... People like you make me sick. Literally too. I have been to hell and back with problems about how I look and feel about myself and it's because of the likes of some of you. Your comments and degrading thoughts WRECK peoples lives. WRECK them.

Please note, this isn't by any means directed at everyone on this thread. I'm sure it's quite evident which people I am referring to.

I appreciate that you may of went through a tough time, but we're talking about a 'BEAUTY' contest here, the aim of this contest is to be judged, if your prepared to enter into a competition like this then you have to be prepared to take the rough with the smooth, do you think most of the people on here being critical would be the same if it was just some random on the street, I wouldn't, but in this case it's different, and also you can't blame your own insecurities on our opinions, you should stand and be proud of who you are no matter what people think of you, other wise your always living your life on the edge, your letting others peoples opinions dictate how you feel, you have to be stronger than that.