Monaco Grand Prix 2010, Monte Carlo - Race 6/19

Duke · 15 May 2010 at 18:20

KnightStalker said:
To be fair, im half expecting the 3 back teams to fall over each other and collect alonso with them.

And somehow Sutil as well, even though he is further ahead.

PinkFloyd · 15 May 2010 at 18:23

utajoker said:
No news of a massa punishment?

Ofcourse not. He's in a Ferrari

/bait

englishpremier · 15 May 2010 at 18:27

Duke said:
More chance of him being moved up 5 places.

Why would Damon Hill want to move up Massa?

He did clearly hold up Button but as Button was not going any quicker on that lap its makes little difference.

Duke · 15 May 2010 at 18:30

englishpremier said:
Why would Damon Hill want to move up Massa?

Exactly.. no chance of him getting a penalty, is what I meant

Sumanji · 15 May 2010 at 18:43

*Yawn*, likely to be a procession-o-race - but it's Monaco, so all is forgiven

Taking a quick look on Wiki, it seems Webbo has retired from half of all Monaco races he's been in, so there's still hope for ol' Robbie K

Fanatic · 15 May 2010 at 18:45

No penalty for Massa

Duke · 15 May 2010 at 18:56

Wonder if he spelt DC's name wrong on purpose?

http://twitter.com/MikeGascoyne

gord · 15 May 2010 at 19:19

PinkFloyd said:
Ofcourse not. He's in a Ferrari

/bait

You better hope he is sitting down when he reads that.. otherwise we could have a full on tantrum like before.

Sumanji said:
*Yawn*, likely to be a procession-o-race - but it's Monaco, so all is forgiven

Taking a quick look on Wiki, it seems Webbo has retired from half of all Monaco races he's been in, so there's still hope for ol' Robbie K

No no no, we have some interesting elements to this race. Alonso is well out of position. The top 5 aren't too dissimilar for pace. Do we have any weather predictions? Where's nip, she usually has good rain inducing capabilities.

utajoker · 15 May 2010 at 19:22

englishpremier said:
but as Button was not going any quicker on that lap its makes little difference.

it was buttons first flying lap in Q3

Hxc · 15 May 2010 at 19:28

Really would've loved to see Kubica on pole, but eh, still a fantastic performance to split the Redbulls in a car that has not been seen as a front row contender.

Sumanji · 15 May 2010 at 19:33

Oh, one little gem from Legard - "could we possibly see a Pole on pole?!" - made me

Doesn't even remotely make up for the rest of the garbage he spouts though

sunama · 15 May 2010 at 19:37

gord said:
You better hope he is sitting down when he reads that.. otherwise we could have a full on tantrum like before.

Well, we all know that the FIA are in cahoots with Ferrari. Anybody who can't see it is in denial.

There...now THAT ought to do it.

Where is he anyway...he's a little quiet.

Sparky · 15 May 2010 at 20:03

Hxc said:
Really would've loved to see Kubica on pole, but eh, still a fantastic performance to split the Redbulls in a car that has not been seen as a front row contender.

True, although Monaco is a complete oddball track where you can almost throw the usual pecking order out of the window. Turkey should sort the men from the boys

Duke · 15 May 2010 at 20:04

Vertigo · 15 May 2010 at 21:10

So the FIA are back to their old Ferrari-favouring tricks then :rolleyes:

Whether Massa's blocking of Button was deliberate or not isn't relevant. Whether the lap of Button's that was ruined would have moved him up the grid isn't relevant. The rule is that, if you impede a driver on a "hot" lap when you're not on one yourself, you will be penalised.

Unless you're in a Ferrari.

Fanatic · 15 May 2010 at 22:34

Or you believe Massa when he says a car in front of him caused him to back off. Don't think the camera showed it. Need to watch it again.

Owenb · 15 May 2010 at 22:42

Vertigo1 said:
So the FIA are back to their old Ferrari-favouring tricks then

Whether Massa's blocking of Button was deliberate or not isn't relevant. Whether the lap of Button's that was ruined would have moved him up the grid isn't relevant. The rule is that, if you impede a driver on a "hot" lap when you're not on one yourself, you will be penalised.

Unless you're in a Ferrari.

What a load of crap. Nearly every driver had traffic at some stage today so if we do as you say nearly every driver should be getting a pen tomorrow. What the stewards should do, and probably did, was compare buttons first 2 sectors from his spoilt lap to his fastest lap- if it wasn't faster then just let it slide.

edit: Button's PERFECT lap time today was 1:14.611, his qualifying time is 1:14.634. His first 2 sector's MIGHT of been .023 better on his spoilt run but that is the MAX.

Vertigo · 15 May 2010 at 23:06

Other drivers moved aside, like Massa should have done. He could easily have moved off the racing line and then resumed it without causing himself any problems. Instead he stayed on the racing line and slowed right down to give himself space for his lap, ruining Button's in the process. The times are irrelevant. No-one can predict what "might have been", had a driver not been impeded, nor can Massa claim that his actions weren't detrimental to Button by claiming his lap wouldn't have improved his position.

Article 31.7 of the Sporting Regulations:

Any driver taking part in any practice session who, in the opinion of the stewards, stops unnecessarily on the circuit or unnecessarily impedes another driver shall be subject to the penalties referred to in Article 31.6.

Note the words "unnecessarily impedes another driver". There is no mention of timings here or what the other driver was doing, merely that the impeding driver's actions were unnecessary. Massa could easily have moved aside yet didn't, therefore his actions were unnecessary.

Owenb · 15 May 2010 at 23:26

Vertigo1 said:
Other drivers moved aside, like Massa should have done. He could easily have moved off the racing line and then resumed it without causing himself any problems. Instead he stayed on the racing line and slowed right down to give himself space for his lap, ruining Button's in the process. The times are irrelevant. No-one can predict what "might have been", had a driver not been impeded, nor can Massa claim that his actions weren't detrimental to Button by claiming his lap wouldn't have improved his position.

Article 31.7 of the Sporting Regulations:

Note the words "unnecessarily impedes another driver". There is no mention of timings here or what the other driver was doing, merely that the impeding driver's actions were unnecessary. Massa could easily have moved aside yet didn't, therefore his actions were unnecessary.

It's monaco these things happen. Do you really think that Massa was the only person that spoilt someones lap today?

Vettel: ""It was quite a surprise. Even though there was only 10 cars, there was traffic, so it wasn't ideal for the tyres. When it was clear I couldn't use it." He must have been blocked- time for penalties. Rosberg blocked Schumacher- penalty. Nearly everyone was blocked at some stage today- penalty, penalty, penalty!

gord · 15 May 2010 at 23:30

I wouldn't actually mind as much if he had admitted it in his interview. He could have said he didn't check his mirrors and was sorry for impeding Jenson. But not only did he not do that, he lied about an imaginary car being infront of him..

Now maybe I have it wrong, but I'm 93% sure that Massa didn't have a car immediately infront of him to justify the slow down, where as Button discovered some Italians had built a big red blockade in the middle of Monaco..

Traffic, Owenb, is different to blocking on the last corner of a hot lap for the person behind with an easy step to the right side of the track where the pit entrance is to let him through. Traffic was inevitable and we're not saying people didn't get in the way on laps, but no one else appeared to have made such an avoidable block at a critical point. It still would have been a harsh penalty, but I think Ferrari dropped the ball on not informing Massa correctly, or Massa dropped the ball on not looking in his mirrors.