Monaco Grand Prix 2011, Monte-Carlo - Race 6/19

Glaucus · 29 May 2011 at 20:40

How can we differ, the video evidence is. There, even after hitting hammy, he didn't make the corner.
I can't see how you can argue with that, it's there on video tape. For all to see.

Mass a one is slightly different and I think it could have gone either way with the stewards. But maldandao one is rediculuse.

3dcandy · 29 May 2011 at 20:49

I'm not on about just the maldonado incident, more the weekend as a whole. Melodramatic Kenai? Would you openly **** your bosses off and expect either no recourse or bitterness afterwards? F1 is a big global sport, yes just a sport, but either way you look at it, those comments will not help him at all. If they believe he brought the sport into disrepute they could hit him with a fine, ban him or whatever. Playing the black card, joke or not, was a very immature response. The interview is all around the t'internet with many people openly slagging him off now, and a few on his side. I'm not in charge, personally I think he's made a big enough arse of himself with his comments without being punished further, but the bosses may not see it that way. I guess future stewards won't be impressed he called them jokes live on tv, and he might become a regular in their meetings to explain. I mean 5 out of 6 already, and taking a pop at them too. Real mature Lewis....really mature.

Jono8 · 29 May 2011 at 20:50

From Andrew Benson blog on the BBC:

"BBC F1 commentator Martin Brundle described his late lunge down the inside of Massa as "clumsy" and his attempt to pass Maldonado later on was similarly optimistic.

When Hamilton watches the incidents back, I suspect he might agree"

Um.. i wouldnt count on it Andrew...

Dave M · 29 May 2011 at 20:52

AcidHell2 said:
How can we differ, the video evidence is. There, even after hitting hammy, he didn't make the corner.
I can't see how you can argue with that, it's there on video tape. For all to see.

*even* after being hit by Hamilton? How does being knocked off your line by another car make driving easier?

I think it's up to the driver passing to make it stick, people talk about DRS being artificial but that is nothing like as fake as saying you can't defend your line.

Jono8 · 29 May 2011 at 20:54

Telescopi said:
*even* after being hit by Hamilton? How does being knocked off your line by another car make driving easier?

He means that Maldonado didnt take the actual racing line and get the apex. Instead he just turned very early into Hamilton in a rash move to block him off.

Even after having Hamilton as a buffer he still slightly cut the corner meaning if Hamilton wasnt there he would have gone straight over the rumble strips and cut the corner completely! In the video just look at the difference between when the HRT turns into the corner and when Maldonado does.

CaptainRAVE · 29 May 2011 at 20:56

deuse said:
Same as Lewis glad we still have two racers left in F1

+1

The FIA is a complete joke. We want racing, not a penalty everytime someone tries to overtake and it goes slightly wrong.

After watching those videos Hamilton was clearly cut off.

I am glad Massa and Maldonado came off worse, they both deserved it.

Kenai · 29 May 2011 at 20:57

3dcandy said:
Melodramatic Kenai?

Yes absolutely, he had a bit of a vent about the way things had gone, nowhere near bringing the entire sport into disrepute. Ill-advised maybe, but nothing more.

Glaucus · 29 May 2011 at 20:58

Telescopi said:
*even* after being hit by Hamilton? How does being knocked off your line by another car make driving easier?

I think it's up to the driver passing to make it stick, people talk about DRS being artificial but that is nothing like as fake as saying you can't defend your line.

Jono8 said:
He means that Maldonado didnt take the actual racing line and get the apex. Instead he just turned very early into Hamilton in a rash move to block him off.

Even after having Hamilton as a buffer he still slightly cut the corner meaning if Hamilton wasnt there he would have gone straight over the rumble strips and cut the corner completely! In the video just look at the difference between when the HRT turns into the corner and when Maldonado does.

This it is clear from the video that he turned into hammy for no reason, it certainly wasn't to make the corner as he still didn't make it.

Jono8 · 29 May 2011 at 20:58

Can't believe some of the people on here think Monaco should be stopped partly because it is unsafe :confused:

If you take the risk out of motor racing then what is the point?

Dave M · 29 May 2011 at 20:59

Jono8 said:
He means that Maldonado didnt take the actual racing line and get the apex. Instead he just turned very early into hamilton.

Even after having Hamilton as a buffer he still slightly cut the corner!

Don't drivers usually go off the racing line to defend? Hence why you see people behind quickly catching up a racing pair once someone gets into defensive mode.

Part of Vettel's win last week was his race craft to defend when he needed to and take his normal line when he didn't.

Are we saying drivers cannot defend?

There is obviously a line to be drawn but I'm happy to accept that 3 stewards, an experienced driver on the stewards team and 2 extremely experienced commentators all thought Hamilton had crossed that line.

CaptainRAVE · 29 May 2011 at 21:00

You can absolutely see where Hamilton is coming from. Why did Webber not get punished for this? It was worse if anything.

I don't believe it is racism, but the FIA do hate Hamilton.

StooM · 29 May 2011 at 21:00

I feel for Button, he was having a stormer and I think had things carried on, he would have had the win as Alonso & Vettels tires would have needed changing (they were starting to drop more and more as time went on) where as JB could have gone the distance.

Still, credit to Vettel he got himself in the right position and as we all know the safety car at somepoint is a near certainty through Monte Carlo.

Can't wait for Canada

Destination · 29 May 2011 at 21:00

Did they award Hamilton any penalty for the second ramming incident?
I know they were investigating, and he called them a joke, and said ali G said it was because he was black and all, but he he actually get any penalty?

Kenai · 29 May 2011 at 21:01

Telescopi said:
Don't drivers usually go off the racing line to defend?

Not to the extent you'd be completely cutting the corner if the attacking car wasn't there.

Cavallino · 29 May 2011 at 21:01

Ok AH let me ask you this.

Both incidents similar. One drivers yields, the other doesnt.
Is it fair that you arrive into a corner AHEAD of your competitor and must give them enough room at the expense of your own place?

You can see Schumacher made the corner and Hamilton locked a little, but Schumacher took avoiding action and ultimately went offline onto the dirty part of the track.

I personally would put this down to a racing incident? Why? See below.

Something similar but Webber does NOT get penalised.
EDIT: Just seen your post CR

Was typing this as you posted I guess.

Glaucus · 29 May 2011 at 21:01

Telescopi said:
Don't drivers usually go off the racing line to defend? Hence why you see people behind quickly catching up a racing pair once someone gets into defensive mode.

.

You can defend and move position,generally not when someone is along side you and generally not into someone else. You have to make the move before the corner and basically block the track when the car is still behind you.

This is not what happened here.

Racing incident yes I agree, not a penalty.

And still isn't what happened with maldanado.

Jono8 · 29 May 2011 at 21:02

Telescopi said:
Don't drivers usually go off the racing line to defend? Hence why you see people behind quickly catching up a racing pair once someone gets into defensive mode.

Part of Vettel's win last week was his race craft to defend when he needed to and take his normal line when he didn't.

Are we saying drivers cannot defend?

There is obviously a line to be drawn but I'm happy to accept that 3 stewards, an experienced driver on the stewards team and 2 extremely experience commentators all though Hamilton had crossed that line.

So where was Hamilton supposed to go then? Maldonado just turned into him. Hamilton didnt even have a chance to back off because he clearly wasnt expecting anyone to turn so early and cut the corner..

Oh, and Vettel only won last week because he had ridiculously good traction out of the final corner

Abraxaz1 · 29 May 2011 at 21:03

Jono8 said:
Can't believe some of the people on here think Monaco should be stopped partly because it is unsafe

If you take the risk out of motor racing then what is the point?

it not down to safety why most people want it kicked off the tour, its cos theirs bugger all overtaking. Who ever takes pole nearly always wins.
The only thing near to racing on this circuit is the qualifying even then thats all about position of other drivers on the track.

And now that the stewards are penalizing anyone that tries to over take its become more pointless.

They might as well drive flat bed trucks with massive advertising boards on around as pretty much what bernie wants. Its all about the advertising not the racing

CaptainRAVE · 29 May 2011 at 21:04

Completely agree with you Cavallino, racing incident, nothing more. Then again, it is Hamilton, so of course he gets penalised. I wish the FIA would just let them race.

3dcandy · 29 May 2011 at 21:04

Telescopi said:
Don't drivers usually go off the racing line to defend? Hence why you see people behind quickly catching up a racing pair once someone gets into defensive mode.

Part of Vettel's win last week was his race craft to defend when he needed to and take his normal line when he didn't.

Are we saying drivers cannot defend?

There is obviously a line to be drawn but I'm happy to accept that 3 stewards, an experienced driver on the stewards team and 2 extremely experienced commentators all thought Hamilton had crossed that line.

This. All you Hammy lovers protest all you want, but the stewards have the final say. Them's the rules.