Monaco Grand Prix 2011, Monte-Carlo - Race 6/19
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Yep. Initially I was "FFFFFFUUUUUU".
And I guess let my perception of that incident become affected by the previous incident with Massa.
But after watching replays and reflecting on past experiences, you'd have to say based on previous judgements, this incident should not have been penalised and once again, calls into question the consistency (or lack thereof) of the FIA stewards in applying the correct penalties for the correct situations.
Utter nonsense, you should be in front, if you aren't in front you are behind and you should back off.
If the track doesn't allow overtaking without cooperation then it doesn't allow over taking without cooperation. That means if the guy in front wants to risk it you need to back off.
I guess most drivers thought a championship contender wouldn't be so reckless, little did they know Hamilton was raging in his helmet and completely unable to make a reasonable decision.
He deserved to be out of the race but got lucky.
So you agree that what Maldonado did was risky then?
So it is a racing incident then.
Why should Lewis have backed off? The fact is, Maldonado turned in far too early for the actual corner. He clearly did it to block off Hamilton. Are you saying that if on a straight, someone has there front wheels level with someones back wheels and the person in front just turns into them it is the person behinds fault?
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I felt the same at first until I watched the Youtube replays. Massa got what he deserved. Maldonado is new and didn't know any better.
He wasn't reckles, you seem to be missing the point that maldanado turned in far to early and if hammy wasn't there to act as a bumper wouldn't of hit the corner at at all, even with the hammy there he went well over the kerns.
If he had stuck to the racing line fine, but he didn't even come close to the racing linens actually turned and went of track.
If he had stuck to the racing line fine, but he didn't even come close to the racing linens actually turned and went of track.
So pretty much no other taking then, as long as the front driver act erratically then no overtaking.
well i kinda watch F1 for the over take, if i wanted to see cars proceed around the circuit ill go camp out on the London ring road, probably less dubious call by the stewards their.
It's hardly a new thing though. Same with qualifying. In the old days you timed your run and tough **** if you hit traffic. These days if a drivers on the same bit of straight they cry about being impeded.
Crying that the Fia hate hamilton is laughable.
Lewis is always looking for someone else to blame, Alonso is a nasty **** but he needs to take a leaf out of his book and do it behind closed doors. Even in the heat of losing a title last year due to a poor strategy call from the team he shouldered the blame when it would have been easy to do a hamilton.
I accept you can't overtake at Monaco, that's no reason to allow dangerous and reckless overtakes.
Knock it off the Calendar by all means, but don't make apologies for drivers wrecking other drivers / teams races.
So you blame JV for Jerez then? He wouldn't have made the corner either.
Secondly please stop posting on your ipad, it's like reading the english copper speak french in 'allo allo'.
If he was so badly off line why didn't Hamilton brake, let him take his silly line and then take him after - that's racing.
Pushing on and bouncing about each other causing accidents is that ***** btcc stuff.
As I said, he was raging in his helmet - if he'd thought clearly he'd have though lol take that line if you like, I'll have you next corner.
No idea, can't even remember it. And it makes no difference. If the leader turns his car of the racing line and actually of the track. Then how can that be blamed on the overtakes? If he followed. The racing line and the overtakes hit him in the side fair enough, racing incident or penalty depending on how bad it was.
Just rewatched the onboard footage, I'd agree that Hamilton should not have got a penalty for the Maldonado incident, he turned in FAR too early cutting up Lewis.
The Massa incident though I'd say was clumsy and probably deserved a penalty. Both incidents could easily have been put down as racing incidents and nothing more and I can fully understand Hamilton's frustrations. But the comments he makes after a race are out of order really, needs to change his tune. His race craft is great, doesn't mean he needs to carry such a bullish attitude out of the car.
The Massa incident though I'd say was clumsy and probably deserved a penalty. Both incidents could easily have been put down as racing incidents and nothing more and I can fully understand Hamilton's frustrations. But the comments he makes after a race are out of order really, needs to change his tune. His race craft is great, doesn't mean he needs to carry such a bullish attitude out of the car.
Watch the video, he doesn't have time to do anything. He turns sharply hits hammy on the way off the track.
He was online, hammy comes up the side. He then turns well before the corner, hits hammy and even with hammy blocking, he still drives straight over the kerbing.
Rubbish he's a racing driver with the best brakes money can buy not a chav in a fiesta.
I think Lewis was reckless in his moves, and its the same recklessness that has cost him before. But looking at those replays, I don't see quite how he deserved a penalty for them - both look to me to be racing incidents, especially the second. But, I suppose, after being penalised once he should have been more careful later. And he was clearly fuming after the first drive through and let his lap times slip when he needed to get his composure together and catch the cars still to pit in front of him.
He had no luck all weekend, from Quali through the race, but it was still a poor showing from him.
He had no luck all weekend, from Quali through the race, but it was still a poor showing from him.
Your expecting a race driver to sit back and just lap 78 odd laps in the same position?
racing is all about risk, both calculating and taking risks, taking risk taking out and its just a precession of cars and we might as well just watch 2 hours of adverts.ayrton senna said:
I can only respond by saying look at the video and the rate of change of direction, doesn't matter what brakes he has, there is still reaction time and where to go. malanado simply turns and doesn't come close to making the corner.