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Monaco Grand Prix 2011, Monte-Carlo - Race 6/19
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This.
How were they his fault.
the first safety car was because Massa decided to try and drive his car on the marbles within the tunnel and refused to give over to Hamilton who was on the racing line and surprisingly ran out of skill as usual. typical response from Massa of blaming everyone else for his incompetency, hes scared hes gonna loose his seat next year
the second safety car happened behind Hamilton and he was collected by a convenient toro roso, sod all he could do about that.
It's not a straight.
Even if the drivers still love it I think Monaco should be axed because the fans can't handle it.
Monaco isn't fair and it isn't really possible to overtake.
I like this new dark side of Hamilton. It's great. He's hardly any different to how Senna was, though Senna did have a better way with words
Yep. Though Senna too used to go on rants about how the whole world was against him, too. (Alonso and Prost as well).
His final rant was directed at MSc and the Bennetton team. He swore blind that they were using (banned) traction control. He asked his team to submit an official protest to the FIA, but Williams declined due to the absence of concrete proof. I think they felt that Senna was being paranoid. He only took part in 3 races that year, but from the start of that year, he couldn't understand how any driver could be faster than him. Perhaps he would've taken it better had he been told that MSc would go on to become the most decorated driver in F1 history.
What year was it Benetton got in trouble for using banned traction control then?
They probably were then too.
Can anyone really see them axing Monaco tho? Regardless of the difficulty of overtaking or the lack of action, it's the track most non-F1 people most strongly associate with Formula One, the most iconic, the most glamorous. I know none of those things should actually matter, but unfortunately they do. Surely it's the most secure Grand Prix on the calendar.
Soldato
I think HAM (and several others) proved today that it was possible to overtake at Monaco. If his victims were in the same class as he then there would have been no crashes.
The to and fro between MSC and HAM in the first stint of the race proves it. They did two identical moves to the Maldonado and Massa incidents but they got through them just fine with no contact.
The driver quality in F1 needs improvement.
I'm happy it's secure. I like the races there I find them interesting and a great watch. I think the year should be made up of different race track types and one a season when it is about staying within the lines is great.
Just need more consistent fia rulings, but that applies to all tracks.
I still think one of the biggest problems in f1 now they have rid of double diffuser, is lack of horsepower. Drives should be having to feather tepee throttle and the back end should want to step out and no 100% corners. Do that and you'll find the brave drivers smash amazing lap times. In as well as more mistakes and far more potential of overtaking.
If not more horsepower half the wing size and further aero fins and the like.
Just need more consistent fia rulings, but that applies to all tracks.
I still think one of the biggest problems in f1 now they have rid of double diffuser, is lack of horsepower. Drives should be having to feather tepee throttle and the back end should want to step out and no 100% corners. Do that and you'll find the brave drivers smash amazing lap times. In as well as more mistakes and far more potential of overtaking.
If not more horsepower half the wing size and further aero fins and the like.
Soldato
No, It's never going. It just doesn't make a good "race" track, You can barely actually race on the thing! It makes a good time trial track though.
Pointless place for the TV viewer, I bet it's different when actually being there I guess.
Lewis was too aggressive today, But when isn't he? That's what has put him 2nd in the championship so far and the only person likely to upset Vettle. His qually was so messed up in Q3 he was only ever going to try and pull some insane move out, It's likely the stewards had decided before the race he was very likely to be their centre of attention.
As I said for entertainment it wasn't bad, But I tune into to F1 to watch racing not a bloody soap opera, Lewis and few others seemed to be the only ones willing to try and race and most got burned for it.
Pointless place for the TV viewer, I bet it's different when actually being there I guess.
Lewis was too aggressive today, But when isn't he? That's what has put him 2nd in the championship so far and the only person likely to upset Vettle. His qually was so messed up in Q3 he was only ever going to try and pull some insane move out, It's likely the stewards had decided before the race he was very likely to be their centre of attention.
As I said for entertainment it wasn't bad, But I tune into to F1 to watch racing not a bloody soap opera, Lewis and few others seemed to be the only ones willing to try and race and most got burned for it.
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...race-officials-penalties-Is-cos-Im-black.html
The Danger Mouse has now officially jumped on the wagon.
The Danger Mouse has now officially jumped on the wagon.
Pretty sure it was only web forums pedalling that "disrepute" line. Looks like HAM is now on DM's "knock 'em down" list. Whilst Scherzinger is on their "build 'em up" list: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbi...actor-storm-join-stars-Monaco-Grand-Prix.html
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Soldato
I think Hamilton on Massa was just trying his luck, but the way I saw it was that Webber ahead of Massa had gone very wide on the entrance. Massa, far from turning into Hamilton, was turning inside Webber and trying his own luck. I doubt he'd have made it stick, but he could have put him right out of position for the next corner and then into the tunnel. Hamilton could have backed out of it, but decided to bully him out of the way (come on, which driver wouldn't try and bully Massa after the last 12 months he's had).
Whether right or wrong, Hamilton could have avoided the second accident with the Williams. He put his car there (and no, it wasn't alongside) in a real 'don't you know who I am now get out of the way move'. That's why he was so shocked, not only did the guy not get out of the way he actually turned in tighter.
If Hamilton actually acted with a bit of humility at the end, and did his talking behind closed doors, he'd emerge with far more credit. Now the next time there's an incident, the stewards will be influenced by his past behaviour.
People who say they want to watch racing - that's fine - I think we all do. But that was not racing today. Watch stock cars if you think that's what racing is.
Whether right or wrong, Hamilton could have avoided the second accident with the Williams. He put his car there (and no, it wasn't alongside) in a real 'don't you know who I am now get out of the way move'. That's why he was so shocked, not only did the guy not get out of the way he actually turned in tighter.
If Hamilton actually acted with a bit of humility at the end, and did his talking behind closed doors, he'd emerge with far more credit. Now the next time there's an incident, the stewards will be influenced by his past behaviour.
People who say they want to watch racing - that's fine - I think we all do. But that was not racing today. Watch stock cars if you think that's what racing is.
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Agreed.
Having the racing line and keeping it in the tunnel is not bullying, massa as the defender had to make the choice to back off as he wasn't on the racing line and took it on him self to race on the marbles, the sooner Ferrari drop him the better then the number 2 seat can go to someone who's actually worthy of it.
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/formula_one/13591355.stm
Agree with Alonso. All the other drivers keep taking points off each other, Vettel has a huge lead now. McLaren look good under race pace, but I just can't seem them catching him.
Agree with Alonso. All the other drivers keep taking points off each other, Vettel has a huge lead now. McLaren look good under race pace, but I just can't seem them catching him.
Soldato
Not sure if that is aimed at me?
But that was kind of my point..
Certainly not mate - not at you. The 'at least he had a go' approach indirectly (at best) resulted in two drivers not finishing the race, although what Massa was thinking in the tunnel I have no idea.
He's a very quick driver, and has some great overtaking skills. However Hamilton is let down on occasion by some very poor decision making, and we saw bags of that this weekend both on and off the track.
Soldato
He tried to bully him on the hairpin, not the tunnel. Massa was an idiot to try that there.
Yup, I think we can give the driver's championship up for dead this season. Really needed today and the next two races, which aren't natural Red Bull territory, to go one other driver's way...can't see that happening now. Natural Red Bull territory seems to now be 'a racetrack'.
think thats been the opinion since the first race, unless one of the teams can figure out how to copy or get the red bull flexing front banned then this season is over.