bullying, mass left the door open then slammed it shut mid corner once he found Webber parked on the apex, massa knew what he was doing and purposefully drove drove into Hamilton cos hes starting to worry about hes seat next year, which he should cos he crap and doesn't deserve a Ferrari seat let alone a HRT drive.
Monaco Grand Prix 2011, Monte-Carlo - Race 6/19
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bullying, mass left the door open then slammed it shut mid corner once he found Webber parked on the apex, massa knew what he was doing and purposefully drove drove into Hamilton cos hes starting to worry about hes seat next year, which he should cos he crap and doesn't deserve a Ferrari seat let alone a HRT drive.
Agreed +1. But also agree with the majority saying his comments were uncalled for. He has only himself to blame sometimes, but to then accuse the stewards etc. is only going to make it tough for himself. Yes he's a racer, so why not let his racing do the talking? Maldonado might just not have seen him, it happens. That's why it's called an accident... Massa has already said he didn't believe there was any room for someone to try and overtake over the kerb, again that's an accident. The stewards obviously thought it wasn't a valid place to try and overtake. Ham seemed to be incensed that he let himself get mugged by Schuey there...tried a move and failed. Desperate to make amends he was ragged later on and nearly failed to finish. Then goes off with a bee in his bonnet (helmet?) and get a talking to from the stewards. Comes out and has a teenager rant about being victimised, stewards are a joke, raciscm in F1....fantastic to see a so called pro lose it, will be funny if same bunch of stewards don't see it the same way next race, and the race after....he will be out of the sport sharpish. Should have kept his cool all afternoon, kept his head down, raced strongly and above all kept his huge trap shut. Most other drivers manage it, even if they are obviously fuming. Now it's out there in the wild making him look a bit of a ***** tbh with only his real fans seeming to think it was justified. I never said he was bringing the sport into disrepute, but stranger things have happened in F1 before I'm sure we can all remember bad decisions.
Did he receive any punishment for massa going into the armco?
I think you're wrong there, Mclaren has the faster race car and anything to do with Red bulls qualifying results is more likely to do with exhaust gases which will be severely curtailed by Silverstone.
Soldato
Mclaren don't have the faster race car imo, They are very close if not equal to the Redbull on race pace but if they had the faster car they would be winning more, Yes it matters sticking it on pole but you have had them in 2nd and 3rd place and not been able to convert that into a win.
It's yet to be seen how much this exhaust gas thing damages the redbulls, I've got a feeling it won't be as much as everyone is hoping. By Silverstone Vettle will have this championship all but wrapped up if it continues as is.
It's yet to be seen how much this exhaust gas thing damages the redbulls, I've got a feeling it won't be as much as everyone is hoping. By Silverstone Vettle will have this championship all but wrapped up if it continues as is.
what are you actually watching this season, the red bull has always had the fastest cars on the field this season, nearly every race this year vettel has time trialled from the very beginning the only time he lost was because Hamilton's strategy actually worked for once and vettel was on extremely old tires.
pretty much shows the difference the front wing is making but amazingly theirs no cheating going on....
Soldato
The cars seem quite equal in race trim, helped by RBR's inability to get KERS working properly.
what are you actually watching this season...
pretty much shows the difference the front wing is making but amazingly theirs no cheating going on....
Cars are different, FIA has said there's no cheating. Regardless whatever Mclaren are doing differently is giving them better race pace.
I think the qualifying issue is to do with some fancy exhaust gas thing they are doing, because wasting fuel isn't nearly so important in qualifying as it is over 70 laps.
If they address that I suspect you'll see Hamilton on pole more often than not in the second half of the season and Red Bull on the back foot.
thats probably the only saving grace for the rest of the teams, if they get it working well and reliably then I can foresee each race ending RBR 1 & 2
I think you'll find the fia said they have passed the wing flexing test of apply 100kgs to the wing and checking the flex, which is funny as on the average track the wings can ahve in excess of 200kgs of pressure applied to them.
So basically the Fia have stated if you can outsmart our engineers (if you can call them that, none have ever developed or been in a high end f1 team) then you can get away with it, bit like the Toyota rally car situation where they raced with an adjustable intake on the turbo took them 3 years to figure out...
plus i think the above image clearly shows foul play.
That's all well and good saying they have passed inspection. Hiwver there's another rules saying it is to be no coder than x-mm when racing. RBR clearly break that. So the sensible thing would be fia to enforce the rule, or like team orders, throw the rules out. It does nark me this incositency, either apply the rules or remove them.
They should be copying it.
My point was aimed at fia rather than the teams, I don't understand why they have rules which they don't enforce, why not either change the tests which they can do at any time they like, or like team orders, make it clear that they are going to ignore it and remove it at the end of the season.
I just don't get FIAs stance. Want to save money but could ban it at any time they wanted especially if they start hitting the ground.
Soldato
Hamiltons outburst was uncalled for, and the lunge on Massa was wrong, but you can look at it and see that Lewis is all over the back of him, and Massa leaves the door open, he should have blocked the inside line before Lewis had a chance to get his nose in.
I still think Lewis was obviously to blame, no disputing that, but Massa leaving a gap, and blindly turning in, knowing you have a car right up your chuff shows a real lack of awareness that seems to be getting promoted by the Stewards, and thats not good IMO.
I still think Lewis was obviously to blame, no disputing that, but Massa leaving a gap, and blindly turning in, knowing you have a car right up your chuff shows a real lack of awareness that seems to be getting promoted by the Stewards, and thats not good IMO.
The FIA are only allowing it because they don't know how their doing it, you cant ban something thats already banned (flexing front wings) so their stuck until a whistle blower releases how red bull are getting the wing to flex.
No the other teams have to copy and put up with the cheating as the FIA turn a blind eye, they may take notice if the red bull car completely dominates the first of half of the season but by then it'll be too late bit like the double diffuser of last year,
I can see the teams being more and more interested in a breakaway championship if the fia keep trying to ruin f1 like they did WRC
probably something to do with the amount of money redbull bring to the table, I'm not saying that the FIA have a previous history of pandering to the richer teams....
Soldato
Well, at the top the sport is all about money.
Probably still fuming over his mechanics poor stop. Not his best season, especially with all the technical problems he's had. Kind of feels like something is against him.
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It looked like Massa was going to try a move on Webber.. he was pretty deep at the time.
I will say that Lewis was too aggressive with the move, but then, that's his style.
Post-race interview was hilarious and saddening at the same time. Still a bit gutted everyone was allowed to change tyres at the red flag.. I think Alonso was robbed of a win there!
I will say that Lewis was too aggressive with the move, but then, that's his style.
Post-race interview was hilarious and saddening at the same time. Still a bit gutted everyone was allowed to change tyres at the red flag.. I think Alonso was robbed of a win there!
Soldato
Yet told the press he didn't expect anyone to try and over take at the hair pin,
He needs to give up that seat to someone else next season as does Webber also imo, I'd like to see some fresh faces in those two teams.
Soldato
when you are at the very limit of braking, where a bit more braking will make the wheels lock up, if you attempt to turn the wheels will lock up, and you will not be able to turn or brake.
hamilton should not have got that 2nd penalty at all