Monaco Grand Prix 2012, Monte Carlo - Race 6/20

Overlag said:
and the top 7 finishing within 7 seconds! For all we knew someone was going to stuff it in the barrier and anyone could have won. Fair the result didnt change in anyway, but the way they got to that result was still thrilling to watch.
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But as already mentioned, they are driving at a conservative pace round the place. Removes a lot of the wow-factor. It's what makes quali so good to watch at Monaco.
Unless Webber crashed, then there was no way anyone else was winning.

Even if the tyres had went off on one of those cars, we only have to look at Kimi's achievement to see there is no way anyone could pass.
 
Lopéz said:
Seeing 24 highly strung, 750bhp bathtubs hurtling down a greasy public road passing barriers with inches to spare at 180mph.
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YEt in the race we basically had what was roughly speaking 18-19 drivers go around for about 78 laps each, without a problem, greasy is, subjective, they weren't actually driving around on a gripless track, just a slightly less grippy track, there is a crapload of rubber down, which is what matters. As with anywhere else, 3 inches off line costs you speed anyway due to marbles/no proper rubber down so less grip. So while the margin for error in terms of hitting walls is smaller, the hit the racing line as often as they do everywhere else realistically.

As for 750bhp bathtubs, meh.

Basically you could get the effect of a what you said, with one guy putting on an exhibition, one car going within inches of barriers for 78 laps.... boring, putting 24 cars out there makes it a race... but there was no racing, just a 78 lap exhibition. :(

None of the drivers were tested(beyond the first corner basically), none of them aren't capable of doing 78 laps here easily, its well within them, they weren't driving anywhere near their own, nor the cars limits.
 
I think the thing with Monaco is that while it's tight and makes overtaking difficult, it also means the margin for driver error is zero.

It would only have taken one of the top six to misjudge a corner, especially when it started raining, and the whole result would have been different.

It didn't happen today, which is a credit to the drivers, but the incident at the start shows the potential for carnage.
 
Panzerbjorn said:
I think the thing with Monaco is that while it's tight and makes overtaking difficult, it also means the margin for driver error is zero.

It would only have taken one of the top six to misjudge a corner, especially when it started raining, and the whole result would have been different.

It didn't happen today, which is a credit to the drivers, but the incident at the start shows the potential for carnage.
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The problem there is, Webber realised that YOU CAN'T OVERTAKE. Chance of making a mistake at your limit is vastly higher than chance of making a mistake well under that limit. So what did he do, drop 2 seconds off, massively increase the margin for error, and there was zero penalty for doing so because no one can overtake.

At track A you have to go 99% the limit of the driver and the car to stay ahead, and in doing so more mistakes are made, at Monaco, because no one can pass you, you can drive around at 80% of what the car and the driver is capable with next to no chance for error... and still have almost no risk of being overtaken.

Webber's pace showed exactly how you can ease off complete, essentially turn it into a risk free race, and still no one behind has a chance.

Also its massively overplayed, margin for erro zero at Monaco, lol, rubbish, Webber went over the chicane at least twice, that we saw, probably did it more. Everyone locked up going into corners, people tap the barriers and each other, no margin for error.... not true at all, less margin for error, but a track where you drive differently one mistake at any race can put you out, realistically the difference is in the consequences of the error, rather than the margin for one. Round most tracks you go into a gravel pit and can't get out, around Monaco its a wall and its painful.

button spun, Perez spun, both went on, Kovo broke his wing, loads of people made mistakes that didn't instantly end their races, just like any other track.
 
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Still no news on the protest. Protest can't happen until the official results are released though.
McLaren and Ferrari technical guys have been in a meeting with each other.
 
Overlag said:
and the top 7 finishing within 7 seconds! For all we knew someone was going to stuff it in the barrier and anyone could have won. Fair the result didnt change in anyway, but the way they got to that result was still thrilling to watch.




Does in my book. I feel the opposite sometimes to racing. These DRS induced overtakes at all other tracks this year are boring. YAY someone with 20kmph advantage down the straight overtook!!! WOW!!!!! Thrilling. Cough. I would much rather watch a race like Imola 2005 and 2006 where Alonso and Schumi battled half the race within inches of each other, but never overtaking, rather an someone faster, overtaking with an drivers aid, then disappearing off into the distance.
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I hate DRS as much as anyone, in fact this is probably the first race this year that I haven't posted commenting about how **** DRS is, so trying to paint my opinion as if i'm someone who loves it doesn't really fly.

I don't honestly how anyone could say that today was good racing. It was a procession of cars that made a relatively interesting spectacle but it was absolutely not good racing. The fact we all knew it was going to be virtually impossible to overtake on track meant that no matter how close the cars were, there was no thrill or excitement to it because there was more chance of pigs in hell freezing in mid flight than someone sticking it down the inside anywhere to make a pass.
 
All the other top teams managed to do there pitstops around the 3.5 sec mark or better.

Hamilton's was 4.4....

That is where 4th,possibly 3rd place went. :mad:
 
The Mclarens always seem to be slower in the races compared to their qualifying (proportionately that is, i know they have more fuel in the race!).

It is either that, or Hamilton is just supreme at ringing the absolute best out of a car when it is low fuelled and set up for qualy.
 
Which is odd as last year (and before that) their race pace has been very good and it was the qually which was letting them down.
 
Also, aren't McLaren supposed to be the in-season development masters?

Or is this just because they have always been so useless at the start of the season? :p

It's just frustrating that the one season they get the car sorted for Australia, they blow their chances by the time the home races start.

I know there's a long way to go, but it's frustrating non-the-less.
 
^^i am not convinced the teams have much left to get out of the current package. Would certainly explain why they are all so bunched up.

Everything about this year is odd vs last year tbh. No idea where this championship is going to go.
 
Crofty comparing Lewis to a police dog sniffing out it's prey was a good highlight of the weekend, as was his suggestion about putting cows on a boat in the harbour to see if it was going to rain, he really should have remained on the radio.
 
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