Monaco Grand Prix 2014, Monte Carlo - Race 6/19

Having had some time to think about it, I don't like the decision not to penalise. I would have made the same decision myself if I was a steward, but I don't like it.

We are in a situation where a driver has benefited from an incident that he caused, and there is no way to tell whether it was intentional or accidental. I became a great deal more cynical about such incidents since crashgate, but I am firmly on the fence about Rosberg's intent. We have to accept that we simply don't know. I'd like to think that Rosberg is a nice guy and wouldn't do it, but that's too easy. One of my favourite boxers from a few years back, Margarito, was a humble straight talking guy who was later found to be putting plaster inside his boxing gloves, willingly endangering the lives of his opponents to improve his chance at victory. At this level of sport, even the nicest people will do the most dastardly things to win.

So having a situation where someone can cheat like this and get away scot free with no way of determining guilt is a bad situation to be in, and I'm certain that if the rules are left like this, then it will be abused in the future.
 
That is why I think they should have effectively deemed it to be a blocking action by reversing, because he did effectively block anyone doing a last time when he had the choice to park right out of the way on the left and the flag to go in. So even if you don't know if he concocted the entire situation I think reversing towards the track in this situation was clear as day what he intended with that.

It doesn't make him evil, I just think he did something wrong, intentionally cheated the other drivers out of their final lap and the fans out of it and that should be punished.

If you make a genuine mistake and trash the car across the track and it stops everyone, fine, nothing you can do, but here he COULD have gotten out of the way and did the exact opposite. So while not a penalty for the potential on purpose causing a yellow flag, the on purpose reversing should be penalised I think.
 
That only works if the flag would definitely have gone away, but we've seen before when a car has gone up an escape road like that, the flag has remained out until it has been removed, so I'm not even sure you could argue that point.

Once again, it's an area that the FIA need to tighten up the regulations somewhat.
 
drunkenmaster said:
That is why I think they should have effectively deemed it to be a blocking action by reversing, because he did effectively block anyone doing a last time when he had the choice to park right out of the way on the left and the flag to go in. So even if you don't know if he concocted the entire situation I think reversing towards the track in this situation was clear as day what he intended with that.

It doesn't make him evil, I just think he did something wrong, intentionally cheated the other drivers out of their final lap and the fans out of it and that should be punished.

If you make a genuine mistake and trash the car across the track and it stops everyone, fine, nothing you can do, but here he COULD have gotten out of the way and did the exact opposite. So while not a penalty for the potential on purpose causing a yellow flag, the on purpose reversing should be penalised I think.
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Er the yelloW's were out.session was over.everyone had to slow down. How did reversing block anyone's lap times?
 
justbeats said:
Reversing would ensure that the yellow flag stayed out would it not, as the run off area would not be deemed safe to 'run off into'.
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If a car is reversing towards the track you aren't going to put the yellow flag away regardless of if a run off zone is blocked or not.

yes we don't know if the yellow flag would have gone in, but Rosberg probably didn't either, he damn well made sure it didn't though. Hamilton wasn't that close behind, Rosberg had reversed right to the edge of the track before Hamilton reached the corner and I'm not sure if there were other cars behind Hamilton. If Rosberg had stopped out of the way as far down there as possible there is no reason for the yellow flags to not stop being waved, but it was still regardless, Rosbergs intent to reverse into a more dangerous position.

This isn't the run off at the end of the fastest straight , it's the run off on a short slow straight that with the car right around the corner has almost zero risk. He could have stopped as far out of the way as possible and didn't, at all.

It would be nice if particularly with this track there was a specific rule. I've seen other people elsewhere say that during races cars have been left at the end of that run off and yellows have gone away letting a race finish, and I can't see a reason why not.

Actually probably specific rules for qualifying in general, if you're out of the way and reverse towards the track, attempt to re-enter when you have no chance of completing a fast lap or otherwise extend a yellow flag situation ruining other peoples laps then you get a penalty. Even then it's pretty hard to determine what's out of the way. For me Rosberg was AND he had no chance of doing another lap, if he did that with say 8 minutes left is it more acceptable, yes, probably, it's a difficult one.
 
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JRS said:
If Rosberg wins tomorrow, I won't be going anywhere near this place! :p
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If Rosberg wins tomorrow, I will definitely reading on the comments on this forum. And I'm going to wind some of the Hamilton fans up. :p

BUT (to keep the Hamilton fans calm, for now) I do feel that Hamilton has a good chance of winning tomorrow. So all is not lost.

For the record, I don't believe Rosberg did "it" on purpose BUT if he did, he is certainly a clever fellow. MSc couldnt have done it better ;)
 
I think Hamilton has a chance to win but pole has best chance of getting to the first corner first.

Unfortunately for Hamilton, a decent part of testing after Barca was Hamilton testing clutch and working to find reasons why Rosberg wasn't getting good starts. They've as a team been working on it a lot with lots of practice starts out of the pits in qualifying. Rosberg's biggest aim in the past 2 weeks has been working on improving his starts.

Whoever is first into that corner is favourite to win and currently Rosberg is favourite to get into that corner first. Hamilton should have DRS advantage and I'd say Hamilton is more likely to pass Rosberg under DRS than the other way around, but DRS has proven to have very little benefit here, just too short a straight to make a difference. Hamilton has had better tire wear and great efficiency so there is also a chance he could maybe go longer than Rosberg and hope Rosberg ends up in traffic while the extra laps gives him the gap he needs but again unlikely.

Also I don't know why people think Rosberg would have done better to just crash his car, cause damage and the car might not drive the same after bits are fixed. No one will purposefully crash their car(when they have a chance to win/qualify high up... a crappy driver helping a better team mate... another matter :p ).


I think what Rosberg did gave him say a 70-80% chance to win. As even with a worse start it's a short straight and the better line for the corner.

Fact is I'd have been very surprised if Hamilton won (I don't even know how many races there are this year, 19?) 18 races in a row this year. Rosberg was always likely to win 2-3 more at least and Monaco is probably his best track and maybe one of Hamilton's worst tracks, not at all bad, just not his strongest for sure. If/when Rosberg won more races this was always the most likely track to go for Rosberg.
 
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I don't hate Hamilton at all, I don't even dislike him, a lot of people like to whinge about Button on here but they don't get any flack for it, about Jenson going on about balance etc.

that seems acceptable, all that stuff...

But if you criticise Hamilton it means you hate him apparantly.

Anyway, I just read this post on the sky website and it pretty much summarises how I feel about Hamilton, although a decent driver, he's personality is a bit tardy.

Here's what someone else had to say which is pretty spot on:

"I agree with another comment here; I love watching Hamilton race and am a big fan of his pure racing ability but he still has a lot of growing up to do. One moment he's bubbling away and philosophising about his inner peace and the next he's a sulky petulant child. The better and more mature reaction would have been a wry smile and a comment that he's happy to let his racing do the talking. As for Rosberg, he's an impressive guy and I don't believe for a moment he concocted this scenario...the penalty and subsequent opprobrium would have been by damaging and he's just not like that. Lewis's comment about reacting as Senna did is very misjudged. Shame. "
 
I can see Hamilton putting the hammer down while Rosberg is in the pits and, assuming both stops go without a hitch and Lewis isn't stuck or held up by anyone I can see him getting past.
 
Might as well introduce friction.
If they don't the season will be dull, people want action,a nd since nooone else can compete against the merc in race conditions, having them fight each other is the next best thing.

Poster above made reference to jewis being like a child, certainly in the previous his radio messages were all monsterously whinging.
 
Oh yea definitely it's good for us viewers and I guess you could say it was inevitable.

I actually thought that qualifying result is exactly what we needed, Rosberg to get pole over Hamilton, and the "controversy" just added to it :D I'd quite like to see Rosberg get the win too, keeps the pressure up and keeps it close.
 
Hammy will win! I don't think he will take them both out, even hammy is disciplined enough not to do something so stupid/great.

Just watching Nicos body language in the press conference was enough for me to believe he did it on purpose. Got away with it aswell, good lad!
 
drunkenmaster said:
If a car is reversing towards the track you aren't going to put the yellow flag away regardless of if a run off zone is blocked or not.

yes we don't know if the yellow flag would have gone in, but Rosberg probably didn't either, he damn well made sure it didn't though. Hamilton wasn't that close behind, Rosberg had reversed right to the edge of the track before Hamilton reached the corner and I'm not sure if there were other cars behind Hamilton. If Rosberg had stopped out of the way as far down there as possible there is no reason for the yellow flags to not stop being waved, but it was still regardless, Rosbergs intent to reverse into a more dangerous position.

This isn't the run off at the end of the fastest straight , it's the run off on a short slow straight that with the car right around the corner has almost zero risk. He could have stopped as far out of the way as possible and didn't, at all.
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Yep that was my point, Rosberg should have driven forwards to the end of the run-off, he did the opposite knowing it would keep the yellow flag out longer. He did this becuase he knew hamilton would be affected by that yellow.
 
sunama said:
If Rosberg wins tomorrow, I will definitely reading on the comments on this forum. And I'm going to wind some of the Hamilton fans up. :p

BUT (to keep the Hamilton fans calm, for now) I do feel that Hamilton has a good chance of winning tomorrow. So all is not lost.

For the record, I don't believe Rosberg did "it" on purpose BUT if he did, he is certainly a clever fellow. MSc couldnt have done it better ;)
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There's nothing clever about reversing down a run-off area. If Hamilton had done the same as Rosberg as in 'losing control' at the same point, then where would Hamilton, or anyone esle have run-off too?
 
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