Monaco Grand Prix 2014, Monte Carlo - Race 6/19

smr said:
Rosberg will win the wdc this year. He's got everything needed to do it.

Mental strength. Check.
Quick car. Check.
Fast enough qualifying pacentre. Check.
Superior strategists and race engineers. Check.
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Is Rosberg your new Button?
 
Hamilton a bit more pragmatic on the BBC interview, but not by much.

To be honest, I think his attitude in all of this has been shocking. Without going as so far to say it he clearly thought he'd been robbed for whatever reason.

Needs to focus on himself and why he didn't do the job on the first lap. This is Monaco - you can't set a banker because the risk of a yellow or a red flag is far, far too great.
 
this_is_gav said:
Hamilton a bit more pragmatic on the BBC interview, but not by much.

To be honest, I think his attitude in all of this has been shocking. Without going as so far to say it he clearly thought he'd been robbed for whatever reason.

Needs to focus on himself and why he didn't do the job on the first lap. This is Monaco - you can't set a banker because the risk of a yellow or a red flag is far, far too great.
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What you need to remember is Lewis won't have seen any footage of the incident, or spoken to anyone other than a couple of members of his team before he was in the press conference and interviews.

All he knew wwas Rosberg was on pole and Rosberg caused a yellow flag. That's it. It clearly doesn't take a lot for him to automatically assume he's been screwed.
 
this_is_gav said:
Needs to focus on himself and why he didn't do the job on the first lap. This is Monaco - you can't set a banker because the risk of a yellow or a red flag is far, far too great.
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To be fair he was 0.060 of a second off "Doing the job" on the first lap. I just think they were pretty much identical on lap time around here. No guarantee he could have gone faster on that last lap.
 
Skeeter said:
What you need to remember is Lewis won't have seen any footage of the incident, or spoken to anyone other than a couple of members of his team before he was in the press conference and interviews.

All he knew wwas Rosberg was on pole and Rosberg caused a yellow flag. That's it. It clearly doesn't take a lot for him to automatically assume he's been screwed.
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He also saw Rosberg reversing towards him as he came down to that corner of course which well, is something most/no other drivers would have done.

Just because he wasn't punished for it doesn't mean he didn't do it. The vast majority of people here, and everywhere else(comments on guardian website and most other websites I've seen, most of the guys down the grid, bosses, engineers etc, all think he did it. The small portion of people who don't think he did it are well, commentators who rarely take a stand with a strong opinion in such situations and most of them were holding back smirks as they said he probably didn't do it. Herbert was practically saying he thought he did it, Mika seemed to think he did it.

It was the reversing that made it almost certain for me and likely to Hamilton.


ZG002 said:
To be fair he was 0.060 of a second off "Doing the job" on the first lap. I just think they were pretty much identical on lap time around here. No guarantee he could have gone faster on that last lap.
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Exactly, it wasn't a banker lap, the fact is Rosberg wasn't doing the job, end of Q3 is almost always quicker, that is the way tracks work. Rosberg was the one going slower than his previous lap while Hamilton improved by the expected amount. when Rosberg wasn't doing "the job" on his second run he luckily ruined it for everyone else..... luckily..... very very very luckily... right after he got his first sector time and knew he was down... luckily. :p

Fact is sometimes you'll miss out on pole, or a 7th, or a 15th because someone causes a yellow flag, that has happened MANY times to many drivers. When it happens and it's the guy on pole, whose ass you've been whopping, who has been a whiney little ***** for the past couple months, and you see him reversing towards you as you come around on your lap which is now ruined and which was well up on your previous lap..... then yeah, you're going to be pee'd off. I can't think of another driver on the grid who would come out and say "what a completely genuine unlucky coincidence, well done to that man". It's absurd to have a go at the way he's acted because Hamilton has said and done very little. We've seen drivers get in each others faces and shove each other, seen punches thrown after incidents... Hamilton just kept calm and relatively quiet. What exactly was the normal response here and what is wrong with what he did?

if he went over and punched Rosberg, sure, criticise, but implying he thought Rosberg did it on purpose in a calm manor when everyone else thinks so to... lol.... terrible.
 
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Well, some pundits thought he did, some didn't. I haven't seen comments from any team principals stating they think he did, just from Ted saying a few people (I think he asked five?) down the pit lane thought he did. Most of the drivers have made neutral comments, from what I can tell, with the odd few saying it looks like a mistake but you could never say.

Given that the footage and telemetry was given to the stewards and they decided that there was no foul play, and that the team agrees with that, I'd say most people still arguing it are doing so purely because it happened to be something that hampered Lewis.

Mercedes motorsport boss Toto Wolff insists there was nothing suspicious about Nico Rosberg's wild steering movements on the entry to Mirabeau during the controversial end to Monaco Grand Prix qualifying.

Rosberg was investigated after securing pole position to see if he had deliberately run off the track to bring out the yellow flags.

Although the race stewards ruled that he had done nothing wrong, questions were raised about his actions - and especially the strange steering inputs before he locked up and went down the escape road.

Felipe Massa was one driver who questioned how the incident looked from the on-board footage.

"The steering was a bit strange, but what can you do?" he explained.

"He made a mistake, but you cannot say he did it on purpose or not. He will say no forever."

Wolff has revealed that the team's telemetry data shows that Rosberg was simply trying to keep control of his car after braking too late for the corner.

"The car was unsettled," Wolff told AUTOSPORT after Rosberg was cleared of any wrong doing.

"We see it on the data that he was braking a bit later [into Mirabeau]. They both braked later in Turn 3 [Massenet) already, both the exact same amount of metres.

"They both braked later on each of the runs and this is what it was. It was just an unsettled car because he was braking later."

TEAM-MATE SUSPICIONS NORMAL

Although Mercedes is keen to play down the incident, Wolff says that suspicions expressed by Hamilton about Rosberg's actions can be explained by the intensity of the title fight.

"If you want to win a world championship, you have to be suspicious," he said.

"It is not going to be the last time it is going to get emotionally intense between the drivers. If you have a shot at the world championship that is clear."

Wolff is adamant, however, that the team can move on from the Monaco qualifying incident after Rosberg apologised to Hamilton.

"It is all discussed and it was a very tough narrow fight between the two of them," he said.

"We analysed the data and there is nothing else to be said."
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Given that Wolff has been a massive supporter of Hamilton all throughout his time at Mercedes so far, and that Lewis is leading the championship and is considered one of the best drivers on the grid, I would expect if something was actually up we would likely see a more neutral comment, if anything.
 
I'd say it was hilarious if it wasn't so sad, but the stewards determining that there was no evidence that Rosberg deliberately went off to cause the yellow flag is basically only going to whip the usual suspects (i.e. the British F1 press and some elements of fandumb) into a frothing mass of 'nurr someone stopped Lewis from getting pole therefore CHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAATTTTTT nurr'.

If Rosberg wins tomorrow, I won't be going anywhere near this place! :p
 
I say, if he did do it on purpose, well played.

If nothing else it shows that whilst LH is going to be thinking like Senna, NR is already one step ahead...thinking like Schumacher :)
 
JRS said:
I'd say it was hilarious if it wasn't so sad, but the stewards determining that there was no evidence that Rosberg deliberately went off to cause the yellow flag is basically only going to whip the usual suspects (i.e. the British F1 press and some elements of fandumb) into a frothing mass of 'nurr someone stopped Lewis from getting pole therefore CHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAATTTTTT nurr'.

If Rosberg wins tomorrow, I won't be going anywhere near this place! :p
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Lets be realistic about this, Rosberg isn't going to win tomorrow. The only question is: Will Hamilton win or take them both out trying.

Edit: I'm a Hamilton fan yes, but I also like Rosberg and I think there is no way it was deliberate.
 
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Type_R said:
I say, if he did do it on purpose, well played.

If nothing else it shows that whilst LH is going to be thinking like Senna, NR is already one step ahead...thinking like Schumacher :)
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Nice blokes come second or if you are Jenson button, you come eight, ninth or tenth.
 
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