Monaco Grand Prix 2014, Monte Carlo - Race 6/19

IPBA said:
The article on Sky by Brundle sums things up perfectly.

"In contrast, the incident did seem to affect Lewis Hamilton. As plenty of people have pointed out since, Lewis wasn't exactly shy in complaining about his lot both during and after the race. His gritty left eye did look swollen on the podium but he curiously played that problem down after the race. But while it's easy to accuse Lewis of whinging and being petulant, that does tend to be the way of a champion. Think of Senna, think of Mansell - they were never shy in displaying their discontent in public. One characteristic all the champions have in common is selfishness. Utterly self-focused, the one thing they all want is an unfair advantage in their favour. The flip side is that they simply can't tolerate someone else having that advantage. It hurts them badly when they do - that's their weakness."

He has nothing different from any other F1 champion. I think Hamilton's raw speed and dramatics coupled with Rosberg's tactical driving and ruthlessness is making this season very exciting. Let the rivarly continue and roll on Canada.
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Senna was at the top of his game when he sadly passed....Mansell was also when he went off to the US ( and won there straight away). Butthurt hasnt been champion for SIX Years.... notice the difference? Lol

Senna and Mansell had good reason to be considered the best, and rightly or wrongly attitude outside the car was understandable - Hamilton isnt ( and never will be) close to that level even IF Mercs dominance continues for years.
 
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FrankJH said:
Senna was at the top of his game when he sadly passed....Mansell was also when he went off to the US ( and won there straight away). Butthurt hasnt been champion for SIX Years.... notice the difference? Lol

Senna and Mansell had good reason to be considered the best, and rightly or wrongly attitude outside the car was understandable - Hamilton isnt ( and never will be) close to that level even IF Mercs dominance continues for years.
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Senna/Mansell didn't have to win against a completely dominant Red Bull car for 4 years, Hamilton has, including the fact that McLaren was a dog for him a couple of years I think your comparison somewhat unrealistic. Not only were Senna/Mansell at the top of their game so were the teams they were driving for...

But I do agree Hamilton is unlikely to match either of those drivers.
 
JRS said:
And I would reply as follows:

So why did you let that happen, you imbecile?!? What the **** is wrong with you? You get in a Grand Prix car on a Sunday morning, and suddenly you can't think for yourself? I mean, what do you honestly think would happen if you radioed in to say that you were pitting at a time that you wanted to pit? They aren't just going to leave you sat like a ******* lemon in the pit box. They'll service the car. So make it a God damned fait accompli and just tell them what you are going to do! This is not an intelligence test that a past champion should be failing. Don't just sit there, sulking and stewing about it. Sort yourself out.
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That would be foolish in the long term, and he knows it.

The lead car gets the call on pitstops. That's the team's policy, and that's the way that it should be. If he decided to take matters into his own hands and make the call for himself from behind, then what's to stop Rosberg doing the same in future races? We all know that *on most tracks* coming in first is a massive short-term advantage. Hamilton is likely to get pole more often than Rosberg, qualifying being his strong suite, and going against the "lead driver has priority" ethos would open the door for Rosberg to pass him every time that he's within a couple of seconds at the pit window. Not something that Hamilton wants.
 
I also can't understand why Lewis blamed the team for not making the call to pit him the lap before...

It's as though he can't drive and think about strategy at the same time.

The last Grand Prix I watched was the 2011 Hungarian GP which Jenson Button won (on Bank Holiday Monday just gone as Sky's Classic F1 Race)...

The rain started coming and Button made all the right calls - and won the race, he pitted first to swap tyre and left Hamilton trundling around not knowing what to do - then Mclaren realised that Button's call was right after he was setting fastest lap after fastest lap, relayed it back to Hamilton and then he pitted too.

Exactly the same kind of thing in Button's maiden Mclaren drive in which he won at Australia - again, he made HIS own call to pit when the weather conditions changed, and being a master of wet/dry conditions went onto win the race.

I've never heard of or seen a shred of evidence to suggest that Lewis EVER makes his own strategy calls - be it what lap to pit on/when to change tyre etc.

This, which all boils down to race craft, is where Hamilton struggles, as well as letting his emotions get on top of his "reasoning" brain. He will let his emotional brain take control of the Human/understanding/reasoning/fact based part of his brain far too often.
 
smr said:
I also can't understand why Lewis blamed the team for not making the call to pit him the lap before...

It's as though he can't drive and think about strategy at the same time.

The last Grand Prix I watched was the 2011 Hungarian GP which Jenson Button won (on Bank Holiday Monday just gone as Sky's Classic F1 Race)...

The rain started coming and Button made all the right calls - and won the race, he pitted first to swap tyre and left Hamilton trundling around not knowing what to do - then Mclaren realised that Button's call was right after he was setting fastest lap after fastest lap, relayed it back to Hamilton and then he pitted too.

Exactly the same kind of thing in Button's maiden Mclaren drive in which he won at Australia - again, he made HIS own call to pit when the weather conditions changed, and being a master of wet/dry conditions went onto win the race.

I've never heard of or seen a shred of evidence to suggest that Lewis EVER makes his own strategy calls - be it what lap to pit on/when to change tyre etc.

This, which all boils down to race craft, is where Hamilton struggles, as well as letting his emotions get on top of his "reasoning" brain. He will let his emotional brain take control of the Human/understanding/reasoning/fact based part of his brain far too often.
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Jenson Button has won 15 F1 GP

Lewis Hamilton has won 26 F1 GP

atleast Button makes his own calls.

you don't mention how many times Button has made the call and for it to be wrong and him have to pit again though.

I don't know specific dates but have witnessed it a couple of times.
 
smr said:
I also can't understand why Lewis blamed the team for not making the call to pit him the lap before...

It's as though he can't drive and think about strategy at the same time.

The last Grand Prix I watched was the 2011 Hungarian GP which Jenson Button won (on Bank Holiday Monday just gone as Sky's Classic F1 Race)...

The rain started coming and Button made all the right calls - and won the race, he pitted first to swap tyre and left Hamilton trundling around not knowing what to do - then Mclaren realised that Button's call was right after he was setting fastest lap after fastest lap, relayed it back to Hamilton and then he pitted too.

Exactly the same kind of thing in Button's maiden Mclaren drive in which he won at Australia - again, he made HIS own call to pit when the weather conditions changed, and being a master of wet/dry conditions went onto win the race.

I've never heard of or seen a shred of evidence to suggest that Lewis EVER makes his own strategy calls - be it what lap to pit on/when to change tyre etc.

This, which all boils down to race craft, is where Hamilton struggles, as well as letting his emotions get on top of his "reasoning" brain. He will let his emotional brain take control of the Human/understanding/reasoning/fact based part of his brain far too often.
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What crap. But if you believe it then good for you. :confused:
 
utajoker said:
Jenson Button has won 15 F1 GP

Lewis Hamilton has won 26 F1 GP

atleast Button makes his own calls.

you don't mention how many times Button has made the call and for it to be wrong and him have to pit again though.

I don't know specific dates but have witnessed it a couple of times.
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Lewis has also driven for a front runner his entire career.
 
What stats? The point is it's pointless to compare them on race wins when they haven't had the same cars over their career, even if Hamilton has driven half the races, he's still nonetheless driven all those races in a front running car.

If they'd both joined F1 in 2007 and drove for the same teams it would be a fair comparison but they haven't so it's impossible to compare.

I wasn't the one banging on about how many race wins one or the other had anyway - as I've just shown it's pointless comparing. I was going on about how each driver operates during a race differently.

If Hamilton had a better race craft / could make his own calls and not rely on his strategists all the time maybe he'd have won even more races than he already has under his belt - that was my point, and opinion. I'm not saying it's fact, just offering an opinion.

Hamilton is a beast at Qualifying, of that there is no doubt, but if he had better race craft and didn't let his emotions run away with him he'd be almost the perfect racing driver.
 
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al4x said:
he is hard work to support.
I find his driving very entertaining to watch.
like alonso he always wants to win but alonso is more calculated about it
alonso has only really had that one bad year THAT year, apart from that i have also had a lot of appreciation of his style and ability

would love to see him in a top car again like 04-05
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I feel sorry for Alonso and the Hulkster come to think about it. Two very hungry drivers worthy of winning a championship but in a dog of a car. Saying that Force INDIA are doing pretty well this season.
 
Ham should have just drove into the pits and boxed it. The team wouldn't throw away one of their cars from the GP so he would have gotten new boots and been on his way.

Sure, might have been a slapped wrist at the end of the race from the team boss but it's racing. Life would go on. Instead he chose to bitch about it publicly and make a fool of himself.
 
What is wrong with Hamilton, he is sooooooo childish. I could understand they way he acted a few years back due to him being a rookie and youngster, then even in the McLaren days because he was so spoilt by the team.

But now he is supposedly more mature and has been for the early part of the season as soon as something doesn't go his way he's making all these stupidly unprofessional comments and is obviously so self centred that he is oblivious to anything else going on. He needs like 5 mechanical failures in a row to get him back down to earth and realise he is racing for a team and he can't win every single race. What happened to his for from a few months back when he was happy they got a 1-2 and it was really helping the team?

Now its all me me me me, why didn't you guys pit me early, its your fault blah blah blah. Yet he was in the same position as everyone else including the issues in qualifying. If he wanted pole he should have done it on his first lap and not cry about not getting a second lap.
 
When things are perceived as unfair, it can invoke a very strong response in mammals. As shown in this test with monkeys.
A perceived unfairness in a highly charged situation like F1 Qually that is going to cause a very strong response from any driver. I am surprised he kept it together as well as he did over the weekend.

Any driver is going to feel bad when they were robbed of an equal footing, especially when it was perceived as a deliberate act. Chuntering a bit on team radio, and stomping about a bit is quite a measured reaction really, if you ask me :D
 
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maxilive said:
What is wrong with Hamilton, he is sooooooo childish.

Now its all me me me me, why didn't you guys pit me early, its your fault blah blah blah. Yet he was in the same position as everyone else including the issues in qualifying. If he wanted pole he should have done it on his first lap and not cry about not getting a second lap.
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:rolleyes:
 
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