Monaco Grand Prix 2014, Monte Carlo - Race 6/19

Rybo said:
Three hundred and fifty million pounds?

lol
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£350m for Caterham Group:


  • Caterham Cars
  • Caterham F1 team
  • Caterham Racing GP2 team
  • Caterham Tech. and Innovation
  • Caterham Composites
  • Caterham Moto Racing team (Moto2)
  • Caterham Bike
  • the media, sponsorship and merchandise stuff
Sure, it'd be a crap deal for just the F1 team. For the whole shebang though, I'd have said it was a fairly sensible price as long as there isn't a truly insane amount of debt to pay off.




Back on-topic for the race - a quick poke at Hamilton's radio message.


the Beeb said:
"Why didn't we stop the lap before?" he asked, heightening the sense of paranoid competition building in the team. "I knew we should have pitted on that lap. I also knew you wouldn't call me in."
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And I would reply as follows:

So why did you let that happen, you imbecile?!? What the **** is wrong with you? You get in a Grand Prix car on a Sunday morning, and suddenly you can't think for yourself? I mean, what do you honestly think would happen if you radioed in to say that you were pitting at a time that you wanted to pit? They aren't just going to leave you sat like a ******* lemon in the pit box. They'll service the car. So make it a God damned fait accompli and just tell them what you are going to do! This is not an intelligence test that a past champion should be failing. Don't just sit there, sulking and stewing about it. Sort yourself out.
 
Lol.

But valid point. Both the team and Hamilton would have thought about pitting as they suspected a safety car, and both didn't take the gamble and waited until the SC was confirmed. One shouting at the other for making the exact same decision they did is rather pointless.
 
this_is_gav said:
I suppose when you've alienated the very team members trying to help you win and want to move again there's only one team left for you. McLaren won't pick you again and as long as they provide the best car Red Bull can have their choice of drivers, so realistically you're left clutching at straws for your next drive in a couple of years time? Best go for Ferrari as they're usually in the top 10.
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Surely Ferrari will end their run of poor cars sooner rather than later... I'm not sure what you mean he's alienating his team members though?
 
justbeats said:
Surely Ferrari will end their run of poor cars sooner rather than later...
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They will at some point, but since the 60s they've tended to go long periods (over a decade) without having any great deal of success. If that rather small trend continues, you're looking at another 4 or 5 years before the next resurgence. :p


justbeats said:
I'm not sure what you mean he's alienating his team members though?
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The tweet Marc Priestley posted about him and his relationship with McLaren when he left.
 
this_is_gav said:
They will at some point, but since the 60s they've tended to go long periods (over a decade) without having any great deal of success. If that rather small trend continues, you're looking at another 4 or 5 years before the next resurgence. :p
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Hmm I see your point :)

The tweet Marc Priestley posted about him and his relationship with McLaren when he left.
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Ah right I see, I'm not really aware of that to be honest (probably the day I was under my rock). I don't know, if you're a team and someone of Lewis capabilities is up for hire, I think maybe past tensions could be swept aside, in fact look at Kimi going back to Ferrari. But yes I do see where you're coming from, it does make you wonder what would be left for Lewis after Mercedes because let's face it, Rosberg by default must surely be their long term golden boy.
 
justbeats said:
Hmm I see your point :)


Ah right I see, I'm not really aware of that to be honest (probably the day I was under my rock). I don't know, if you're a team and someone of Lewis capabilities is up for hire, I think maybe past tensions could be swept aside, in fact look at Kimi going back to Ferrari. But yes I do see where you're coming from, it does make you wonder what would be left for Lewis after Mercedes because let's face it, Rosberg by default must surely be their long term golden boy.
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Marc Priestley is just a jealous person who left McLaren in 2009 and can't get back in to F1.
 
Captain Planet said:
That sim looks great. Always rated Hulk, I'm sure he has a long and prosperous career ahead in F1.
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A sim!!???!!!?? LOL OH FLIPPING RAMMMA!!

As for the race... watching it at Williams was awesome. It really was a great day, and it made the race seem really good as well. Probably helped by drinking loads of free booze :D Best bit of the day was setting the fastest lap on the simulator! :D
 
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leaskovski said:
A sim!!???!!!?? LOL OH FLIPPING RAMMMA!!

As for the race... watching it at Williams was awesome. It really was a great day, and it made the race seem really good as well. Probably helped by drinking loads of free booze :D Best bit of the day was setting the fastest lap on the simulator! :D
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Nice one dude.
I was impressed with Massa at Monaco.
 
leaskovski said:
Best bit of the day was setting the fastest lap on the simulator! :D
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You did this after the booze session?
Impressive.

With regards to McLaren's options over the next few years, I think Vettel, Hamilton, Alonso, Kimi - these are all possibilities.

Where back in 2011/2, I stated that McLaren had no will to win (I took a lot of flak for stating that), I do believe that this is about to change. I remember earlier this year, Denis was saying nice things about Alonso. He is clearly thinking ahead and it wouldn't surprise me if McLaren sign a top line driver before the year is over. My money is on Alonso. I just can't see Alonso sticking out another year at Ferrari. If McLaren get Vettel or Alonso, in 2015, I can see McLaren winning the title in 2016.

Its crazy to think that for all their history, perfectionism, resources (if you havent seen their factory, I suggest you youtube 'McLaren Technology Centre' - its amazing) they havent had a top line driver since Hamilton left. I personally think that when Hamilton left and they couldnt sign a big name replacement, his fate was sealed. This was compounded when they got rid of Perez the following year and then signed a complete rookie. Whitmarsh looked like a bafoon when he did this. After firing Perez, he even recommended Perez to rival teams - which totally bemused me. If I didnt know better, I'd say J.Button was giving Whitmarsh advice on who to hire/fire.

Would I be unfair in comparing Whitmarsh with D.Moyes?
 
deuse said:
I was impressed with Massa at Monaco.
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Massa
I've always felt that Massa was a decent driver.
He drove with MSc, Kimi and Alonso.
And the only driver to completely demolish him was Alonso.
And now that Kimi is in the process of being "Alonso'd", some people may have to revise their opinion of Massa.

Bottas
One point of note is that Bottas is doing a great job at Williams.
Of the non WDCs, many people rate Hulkenburg. I rate Bottas higher. This guy is good. He may look like he is 40 yrs old, but he knows how to score points.

Vettel
With regards to Vettel, people seem to believe the guy is dead and buried. I dont believe this for one minute. The guy is a monster. He knows how to win a long title race. So, if there are any Vettel fans out there - I think he will score some heavily in the 2nd half of the season.

Ricciardo
By the end of the year, we will also have a good guide as to just how good this guy is. Right now, Vettel is struggling with poor form and bad luck. But once he is firing on all cylinders, we shall see how Ric compares with Vettel. I also do wonder what the feeling inside the team is.
 
sunama said:
Massa
I've always felt that Massa was a decent driver.
He drove with MSc, Kimi and Alonso.
And the only driver to completely demolish him was Alonso.
And now that Kimi is in the process of being "Alonso'd", some people may have to revise their opinion of Massa.

Bottas
One point of note is that Bottas is doing a great job at Williams.
Of the non WDCs, many people rate Hulkenburg. I rate Bottas higher. This guy is good. He may look like he is 40 yrs old, but he knows how to score points.

Vettel
With regards to Vettel, people seem to believe the guy is dead and buried. I dont believe this for one minute. The guy is a monster. He knows how to win a long title race. So, if there are any Vettel fans out there - I think he will score some heavily in the 2nd half of the season.

Ricciardo
By the end of the year, we will also have a good guide as to just how good this guy is. Right now, Vettel is struggling with poor form and bad luck. But once he is firing on all cylinders, we shall see how Ric compares with Vettel. I also do wonder what the feeling inside the team is.
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So Vettel is struggling with poor form/luck but Kimi is being Alonso'd.

Both Alonso and Rcciardo are performing well, and both Kimi and Vettel are sturggling with the new cars. Due to luck and bad strategy I wouldn't say either are being Alonso'd or Ricciardo'd just yet.
 
Read earlier that on entering Mirabeau for the aborted lap Rosberg had braked 10 metres later than he had on his pole lap and was carrying more speed at the speed trap before hand. Rosberg was 0.124 (I think it was) down on his lap at the time things went wrong, while Hamilton was 0.080 (I think) down at that point. Both Rosberg and Hamilton had braked later for turn 1 too, but I can't remember the distance.




Skeeter said:
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Grow the hell up already!

Anyone else think that Mercedes must be thinking "yeah, you might be quick, but tbh we would rather have Rosberg as an ambassador for the Mercedes brand, so, er, bye!"
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Picture is a Caterham logo?
 
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Hamilton for me is marmite, any time I start to really like the guy he turns in a complete diva and thinks he's the most important factor in the team where the reality is he's less than 1% of the cars performance. When he starts mouthing off to the team over the radio I do wish one of them would tell him he's welcome to go drive a different car or just stop giving him information over the radio.

That said I do think Rosberg is being flattered relative to Hamilton. No car can get in between them, they are in a completely different class to the rest of the field so Rosberg never has to worry about anyone being in the way or having to chase hamilton from the 2nd or 3rd row of the grid with cars that he's just 1/10th faster than. They have so much in hand. Rosberg is being consistently beaten and will be all season long, he's fortunate the car is on another planet so a bad day is 2nd.

If I was at Mercedes I would certainly want Hamilton taken down a peg or five but I would also know that if the top teams where suddenly only 0.1 behind it would be hamilton far more likely to get the job done. I would though like a couple of Hamiton non finishes with rosberg picking up wins just to watch Hamiltons mindset.

I do sometimes wonder who writes his column on the bbc...

Those first two years I was in F1, Monaco was great, fighting with McLaren team-mate Fernando Alonso in 2007 and then the Ferraris in 2008.

Since then, very few races here have been a proper battle between teams vying for victory. Whoever has the superior car has won. For me, that has taken the passion away a little bit.

Competition is what I live for. That's why I never play mind games.

Has the passion gone now he has the superior car? Never plays mind games? :D
 
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