Monitor quality control...is it actually getting worse? (Aorus rant)

I just don’t believe you’ve really been through 15x G7 samples, 6x PG32UQX and 3x Odyssey Neo G9 I’m afraid.

Dust inside panels is not that common at all, and even if it were, no retailer is going to allow you to keep returning and trying a new one and reporting the same thing over and over again. They’ll draw the line a lot sooner than 15 samples :)
 
And why are you insistent on using the eizo test tool to go looking for this supposed issue? In what way is that test tool representative of real world usage?! You then criticise people who report no dust in their panel because they haven’t used this niche, random test tool, when they’re the ones enjoying their new screens without a second thought that maybe there’s a spec of dust somewhere that a random pointless test pattern would show them but that they’d never see or worry about in any real usage

it seems very backwards to me
 
Don't believe me. I did it. I used a lot of money. Gladly i have 2 credit cards. So i haven't mostly (in some cases i did, because i bought multiple G9 Neo and PG32UQX, credit card money wasn't enough) use my own money, if i send it back it get refund before the billing cycle ends ;).

I bought not 15 units from one reseller ;). I used a lot. Only 2-3 from the same. From Mediamarkt/Saturn you can buy 15 alone without getting any problems, but they have not every time stock. Amazon would kill your account if you buy more than 1-2 depending on your buying history and returning ratio ;).

The Eizo test offers a package of test pictures. You can use another tool which is offering the same. I dont insist on anything. Its a good tool for testing monitor defects ;).

I noticed that many users are really not looking for defects and saying they have none. If i would test their monitors i will find the defects.
 
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Your opionion. You are sounding for me like someone who has no experience with monitor lottery.

The PG32UQX and G9 Neo are the only lcd monitors offering hdr with a monitor form factor, so you have to do the lottery. If not you will get only standard viewing experience which is known since years. Hdr isnt perfect, even with mini led you will get halos, especially for huds and objects which are smaller than the dimming zone. But the contrast ratio and hdr highlights are worlds above normal monitors. Im using quad monitor setup. So i can chose for every condition the best.

LG G1 55"
LG C1 48"
AW3821DW
I need the best lcd hdr monitor for the rest (for this i will use the place of the X34GS)

The G7 was the only 240 hz fast monitor ~1 year ago. If you want this features you have to do this insane lottery.

Btw. If someone is not liking this panel lottery i would buy a lg oled.

I got 1 CX 48" last year with some dust spots and 1 G1 with dead white sub pixel.
But after 1 exchange the panel was without dust and pixel failures.

Because of this i like LG so much. In terms of monitors dust is extremly rare. Nothing you will get in a row.
 
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I’m sorry but if you genuinely did go through 15 Samsung G7’s, 6x PG32UQX and 3x Samsung Neo G9’s (which I still don’t believe one bit) then your standards are completely misaligned from reality. You have some major OCD and are not evaluating the products in any reasonable or sensible way. I’m not saying some screens don’t have problems, they of course do, but these are not reasonable numbers to supposedly have gone through
 
If you pay thousands of Euros for a monitor you want no dust inside the panel or below the ag coating ;). It's even not allowed by manufacturers rules. If you ask for warranty because of this dust/dirt whatever they will send out a technican with a new panel (Samsung 49 inch monitors) or a new monitor (Asus). But it's very likely this units are affected too.

LG has no general dust problems because their production is much cleaner than auo, sharp, boe, innolux. LG panel wqhd monitors costs arround 400 Euro. Even in this lower price range dust is no problem.

What's your "reality" would you accept a monitor for so much money with grey/black dust inside?

Rhetoric question, you never had such expensive monitors and i doubt you will keep one with dust/dirt/pixel failures/ disturbing ips glow/blb. You are speaking like someone who has no idea what he is talking about. I have 6 years of experience with a ton of monitors. Never seen people on internet who have such experience across the complete range of 500-3500 Euro gaming monitors.

I wouldn't accept it even for 500 Euros. I kicked 2015-2016 arround 50 AUO wqhd 144 hz AHVA (Auo ips) monitors to get a few without dust. I kept only a XB271HUb because it had the lowest amount of ips glow and blb.

Gladly in 2017 with the AW3418DW the dust lottery was over. And in 2018 they released the LG 34GK950G. Both are using LG ips panels. Even pixel failures were on this units very rare.
 
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lugerfield said:
you never had such expensive monitors… You are speaking like someone who has no idea what he is talking about.
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:D lol

I'm sorry but you’ve showed up out or nowhere on this forum making ridiculous claims that I just don’t believe for one minute. Let’s add “arround 50 AUO wqhd 144 hz AHVA” monitors to the mix of screens you say you’ve received, tested and returned now?!

There is no “dust lottery” that warrants this many returns. Sounds to me like you’ve got a problem with your eyes, not with the screens :) (not that I believe anything you’ve said I’m afraid)
 
Problems with my eyes when i made photos of the dust/dirt. Don't make me laugh.

You try to troll this thread. Sadly such people are a problem of any forum.

People who have no link to products which the thread is covering trying to defame users in order to trigger a senseless "battle".

Your behaviour is very common on reddit. Maybe a good place for you.
 
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lugerfield said:
Problems with my eyes when i made photos of the dust/dirt. Don't make me laugh.

You try to troll this thread. I'm ingoring you now. Sadly such people are a problem of any forum.

People who have no link to products which the thread is covering trying to defame users in order to trigger a senseless "battle".

Your behaviour is very common on reddit. Maybe a good place for you.
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I’m not the one filling this thread with ridiculous claims and nonsense. and what sounds like conspiracy theories (in your head) about “dust lotteries”, and a supposed problem that is so much of an issue to you that you’ve gone through at least 74 different monitors (and counting :))

you’re absolutely right that “such people are a problem of any forum.”. The issue is that the “such people” you refer to are people like you who pop up out of nowhere spouting crap, but in your case it’s so OTT it’s laughable. It started as slightly dubious, but I’ve quite enjoyed how absurd it’s become.

i doubt anyone believes any of what you’ve said tbh.
 
You have no experience with this monitors but you say there is no dust lottery :rolleyes:.

I had so many auo, samsung, innolux etc. monitors i can rate it much better as you can.
Especially if it's affecting nearly every unit.

I will not unignore you. But had to say it after thinking a bit about your nonsense posts :D.

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...as covered already it isn't practical or indeed sensible to try to point out flaws that exist on some units but not others. Unless it's an obvious flaw which is visible in images or videos in the review, which was the case with the PG32UQX's pressure marks. Anyway - not discussing this further as it's not a constructive use of my time. :)
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If you have no experience with a lot units (only with one test sample (which is maybe preselected or you haven't used the specific test pattern or you havent looked for qc issues) per model) i wouldn't rate this. But someone who knows Samsung and AUO panel monitors (which are the majority of 16:9 wqhd and va gaming panels) for years, knows most units are affected with contaminations. It's not some. Me as a reviewer i would mention this
not tolerable qc problems. Also the ugly coilwhine and scanlines especially on Samsung va units.
 
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lugerfield, Baddass and I communicate with a large number of users and receive a huge volume of feedback about monitors. We're monitor reviewers and we recommend products to people and communicate with them all the time. We're very in-tune with the monitor market and Baddass doesn't need a newcomer patronising him or telling him how to do a job he does very well.

You don't have experience as a reviewer, you are in-tune with your own OCD tendencies and out of tune with the tolerances of most users and what is expected of a reviewer to cover. I do cover 'scan lines' or 'interlace pattern artifacts' in my reviews as I'm sensitive to them myself and know a minority of others are. Speaking of 'QC issues', I've received a lot of feedback on the Samsung Neo G9 which suggests poor QC and don't specifically recommend it. But I won't add fuel to that fire. Also, it doesn't use a Samsung panel - it uses a CSOT panel. Some particularly poor models in terms of QC according to user reports actually use LG panels. Some of their UHD panels develop colourful corner-bleed bursts over the course of a year or so of use. That forced LG to switch over to BOE panels for some of their own products. And some other models develop loud intermittent clicks. In Korea they actually nickname certain LG models "woodpeckers" for this reason.
 
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lugerfield said:
You have no experience with this monitors but you say there is no dust lottery :rolleyes:.

I had so many auo, samsung, innolux etc. monitors i can rate it much better as you can.
Especially if it's affecting nearly every unit.

I will not unignore you. But had to say it after thinking a bit about your nonsense posts :D.
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you have no idea about whether or not I have used any of the monitors you’re talking about, or my level of experience or knowledge.

and at no point have I said issues don’t exist in some samples. Let me say it again, they DO! What I have been saying though is that 1) I don’t believe you’ve really had that many screens and been through that many samples. 2) if you have, there’s no way they all had issues, 3) if you did have that many, and you really m think they did have issues, then you’ve got a problem with your expectations, OCD, eye sight, or a combination
 
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Baddass and I? Is this user your friend?

In my experience many users are not observing most of the qc issues. I would be not sure about the quality because of this experiences ;).
I don't have the experience as a reviewer. Lol. Even if i not publishing reviews are knowing more about monitors than your reviews are mentioning :D.
I said you are making the best reviews but they are not complete reviews. Important points are missing, because your test scenarios are not making this issues visible ;).

Recently PG32UQX no examples in your video about the halos on huds, crosshairs and small objects. For this expensive monitor it's very important if local dimming is far away from perfect, even worse than the predecessor (PG35VQ) with normal sized leds:

https://imgur.com/a/H8Bxo1L

Also no information about the rattling, awful fan noise 20 dB @ idle, 30 dB @ hdr of the cheap Sunon fans. It's a big disadvantage for users who want use this monitor alone. If i would buy this monitor for daily use without wearing headphones i would never considering buying it.

I don't think many users will buy a PG32UQX only for some specific hdr content.

The G9 Neo is using CSOT? Where do you have this information.
 
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Like I said, you are in-tune with your own OCD tendencies and clueless about what should or can be included in reviews. I've been very polite and respectful with you this far, other contributors to this thread have understandably stayed quiet for a bit. Because they aren't getting anything out of it now. This thread should probably be closed, you don't deserve an answer to those questions with the lack of respect and closed-mindedness you've shown.

P.S. Did you actually read the PG32UQX review or watch it? I gave plenty of 'halo' examples and discussed it extensively, so your point there is invalid.
 
Awful fan noise and haloing in games is nothing should be included in reviews?

Which panel is the G9 Neo using? Model name please.

For me it's not using a CSOT panel, because it's showing the same issues as every Samsung 32:9,16:9, 21:9 panel has. Maybe the backlight is from CSOT. Cell from Samsung. Like some 16:9 Samsung panels in AOC monitors with TPV backlight solution.
 
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In your video in only see minor haloing in tomb raider. But nothing about huds, crosshairs, darker content like the images above are showing.

According fan noises you wrote:

"The fan was audible when the system was idle, but not clearly audible on our unit above our normal system noise under load. This includes with HDR (High Dynamic Range) active on the monitor at high brightness. It didn’t ever seem to spool up and suddenly become much loader like a GPU fan would under load, for example. Ideally this fan wouldn’t be required and we can appreciate some users dislike this being there and see it as something to worry about. It could be particularly bothersome if you have a silent PC or simply favour very quiet experience on the desktop. But for most people we don’t feel this should be a significant concern."

It's very understated. Most users will dislike a monitor which is much louder than their computers at idle. Especially it's no fan noise like you get from a Noctua fan for example. It's a rattling, klicking noise. This noises are normal for high rpm fans running below the specific rpm range. You know this from gpu fans. So it's essential for them to stay in idle off.
Some PG32UQX also have a whining noise.
 
I shared my honest opinions and experiences. The fan was a non-issue to me and I didn't find the sound it made particularly unusual. Most users don't dislike it or the manufacturer would be forced to change it - simple. A vocal minority may find it problematic, that's a different story.

And I did actually specifically show 'inverse halo' examples which were more of an issue with some 'Variable Backlight' settings than others. And discussed traditional halos plus showed them. I actually did so in the local dimming section of the video in a very specific way and then referred back to that in the HDR section. The word "halo" appears 12 times in the written review, but I don't think feeding people very specific and potentially exaggerated visible examples from specific scenes is all that useful. If it was something which stood out to me and I felt was worth mentioning or showing, I did so. Frankly the HDR experience on the PG32UQX was exceptional in my view for an LCD and most users will not find the 'halos' to be a problem. I covered this in a detailed and balanced way and have received a lot of appreciation for that review from users who subsequently bought the product.

I'm not going to sit there and write a negatively-slanted piece about something I really enjoyed that is so negative to read that nobody even wishes to try the product for themselves. Monitors are very subjective and thankfully not everyone shares your own particular sensitivities. As I said I'm very well-tuned to the sorts of things people will have a fair liklihood of finding bothersome. Tolerance levels etc. I cover a huge amount of ground in my reviews, but the line needs to be drawn at some point. User experiences are always going to be important with something like monitors which show inter-unit variation and are ultimately so subjective.
 
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This thread and some amazon ratings and also youtube videos are showing that halo issues.

https://imgur.com/a/H8Bxo1L

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wsbnojjauFQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SBwEpr-pwfM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vnZ3Aqr8-Ms

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2_XL7F8jC1c

https://youtu.be/1ECtZJtLpbM

Dimming level 1-3 test:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ga-GwtR-tC8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ubVIuUDZ59o

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n7VPZ0VfnmA


I don't see this in your review. For readers who have not tested a PG32UQX so far it's very important to know the issues.

For me the PG32UQX is only useful for watching some mostly bright hdr video content and some games. But mostly i will use it (if i get a flawless model) for video watching.
 
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