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** MORE 8 PACK PRE-BINNED CPU's AVAILABLE UPTO 5.2GHz!! **
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Is it though? Are the 4.8 bins really just a de-lidded CPU? Or are the they "worst" of the CPU's you bin? The former still keeps you in the silicon lottery, and still gives a chance of a 5.0/5.2 CPU. The latter does not.
However that is 4.8GHz pre delid so you may likely hit 4.9-5.0GHz after the delid and thus still be likely to get more out of it. Yes it does mean that you are not going to get a 5.0/5.2GHz CPU pre delid as they would be in the next batch of testing.
Edit: I am of the assumption once they are starting to be tested they all get tested to see where they fall and not then 'X' percentage hit 4.8GHz and they only pick a further 'Y' percentage to test further but that depends on the numbers we are talking about.
That's my point though. 8 Pack saying the 4.8 pre-binned is "exactly" a delidded CPU service, but it isn't. It's a delidded CPU, without the chance (however small), of being one of these (£900) 5.2 monsters (pre-delid). Sure, you are guaranteed a 4.8 chip, but surely the large majority are 4.8 chips, it's only 300 MHz above stock boost. It's just taking away the chance you get for a good one in the silicon lottery, scrubbing off 2 years worth of warranty, and delidding for £10 less than the cost of buying the delid tool yourself. OK, you get a years warranty on the CPU you wouldn't have if you delidded yourself, so that's worth something. And is probably why people will buy these.
But it's not the same as taking a CPU out of stock, delidding, and selling with a years warranty. Because you lose the shot at a "monster" CPU.
All chips are tested, binned into their category. They are then de-lidded and re-tested for function and temp, but not re-binned.
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I remember some time ago about Gibbo taking about Maxwell Titan sales.
He pointed out that a lot of the people who were buying them 3 and 4 at a time would not even be forum members.
I suspect that anyone buying one of 8 Packs halo PCs would not be sending much if any time on the forums.
If 8 Pack was our only customer we'd be having rather big issues. My decision and the rest of management to employ Mr Pack was a sound one as Overclockers UK does what it did ten years ago again today by offering OC chips, OC bundles and we even take it one step further with 8 Pack branded products and systems. Not so his head explodes but employing him has allowed OcUK to grow, particular into more professional segments where there are corporates looking for machines so powerful they come to ourselves as no one else can provide them.
We are now probably one of the largest companies in the UK that have remained focused on our core activity which is gaming and overclocked computer hardware/systems. Whereas most of our competitors seeked growth in other areas, essentially broadlining we have grown by staying focused on our gaming/OC customers and focusing our strength on such core areas.
I am 100% sure that people will buy the 7700k at each oc stage that is being sold.
However the pricing just seem's abit odd, i mean you are charging £20 pounds to buy a 4.7ghz version which has a "Guarantee OC " i am pretty sure all of them can do 4.7ghz and apprently so do you as you are advertising that you are not testing or binning them, but you are charging 20 pounds extra without doing any work which seems pretty off.
The 4.8ghz and the 5.0ghz i actually think are a decent price considering they are tested and delidded and look worth the extra that you pay for them and i dont think there should be any complaint's about these package's as they are pretty realistic and if i was buying a setup atm i would probs pick one up (to save myself the hassle of delidding and not knowing the limitation's).
The 5.1 ghz is rather expensive at 150 pounds more for 0.1ghz gain and at 600 pounds there are some haswell/broadwell-e chips that might be better in terms of overall usablity (not single thread of course the 7700k is king there).
The 5.2ghz however is very expensive for what it is, it is not far off being nearly three standard 7700k's (which of course could net you 3 5.2ghz-4.8ghz cpu's) and it is double the 5.0ghz package and that on it's own shows just how expensive it is.
However the pricing just seem's abit odd, i mean you are charging £20 pounds to buy a 4.7ghz version which has a "Guarantee OC " i am pretty sure all of them can do 4.7ghz and apprently so do you as you are advertising that you are not testing or binning them, but you are charging 20 pounds extra without doing any work which seems pretty off.
The 4.8ghz and the 5.0ghz i actually think are a decent price considering they are tested and delidded and look worth the extra that you pay for them and i dont think there should be any complaint's about these package's as they are pretty realistic and if i was buying a setup atm i would probs pick one up (to save myself the hassle of delidding and not knowing the limitation's).
The 5.1 ghz is rather expensive at 150 pounds more for 0.1ghz gain and at 600 pounds there are some haswell/broadwell-e chips that might be better in terms of overall usablity (not single thread of course the 7700k is king there).
The 5.2ghz however is very expensive for what it is, it is not far off being nearly three standard 7700k's (which of course could net you 3 5.2ghz-4.8ghz cpu's) and it is double the 5.0ghz package and that on it's own shows just how expensive it is.
Did you see this post? Isn't it because they are from the same batch as others that fail to make 4.8?
The 4.7GHz ones means that if you are unable to achieve the 4.7GHz then you can send it back and switch with another one. For this you still get your 3 year warranty as well. Gibbo gave percentages that don't reach certain levels and for people who maybe just want to get a base clock sorted and know they have a good starting point rather than ending up with a duff that only does the turbo that Intel guarantee as such. So £20 isn't a big issue for that, no more than what was being discussed with talk of the 7740k as having turbo of 4.7GHz out box and costing more from Intel. Just appears OcUK are happy to have this now.
In regards to the others as you say the 4.8GHz & 5.0GHz are the good financial options but diminishing returns etc result in prices as such. I would say a lot may actually go for the 5.0GHz and hope they can get 5.2GHz after it has been delidded compared to what OcUK have already done. I would assume with what 8-Pack is saying though is that you are actually likely to get 5.3-5.4GHz out their 5.2GHz chips once you push it with voltage and better cooling.
Any gamer willing to pay the price for these should read this review. http://www.pcgamer.com/kaby-lake-overclocking-tested-the-quest-for-5ghz/
Over 14 games tested the performance increase was 2 fps. Games tested were GTAV fallout 4 the usual run of gaming benchmarks. We are mainly GPU limited and with dx12/vulcan this isn't going to change.
If those 2 extra fps are important to you then go for it! Otherwise think of these as de-lidded single threaded workstation specialist CPU's.
Over 14 games tested the performance increase was 2 fps. Games tested were GTAV fallout 4 the usual run of gaming benchmarks. We are mainly GPU limited and with dx12/vulcan this isn't going to change.
If those 2 extra fps are important to you then go for it! Otherwise think of these as de-lidded single threaded workstation specialist CPU's.
4.8 and 5.0 is where we expect sales volume and those are already selling quite well, so far 50+ 5.0's sold and 4.8's we sold 4pc over weekend and 1 unit of 5.1
We don't want to sell big volumes of 5.1 and 5.2 because they are much lower volumes to hit this speed and they are priced as such.
As 8 Pack said anyone buying a 5.2 will achieve that as a minimum clock on a basic 120mm AIO cooler. Those with H20 and the best hardware could be seeing 5.3-5.5GHz with such a CPU.
We don't want to sell big volumes of 5.1 and 5.2 because they are much lower volumes to hit this speed and they are priced as such.
As 8 Pack said anyone buying a 5.2 will achieve that as a minimum clock on a basic 120mm AIO cooler. Those with H20 and the best hardware could be seeing 5.3-5.5GHz with such a CPU.
Our corporate customers are the ones who often buy 5.1 + 5.2 bin. So as Gibbo says they are not meant to sell volume.
But these big overclockers for the gamer will unlock the power of a high gpu or two which other cpu's often bottleneck.
I use 5.1 bin in my own lan rig.
But these big overclockers for the gamer will unlock the power of a high gpu or two which other cpu's often bottleneck.
I use 5.1 bin in my own lan rig.
The extra premium on the 4.8 is for deliding.
After delid the chips that I tried can then do at least 4.9 most 5g with less than 1.4v. Ofcourse we delid you get full warranty..... I am aiming for satisfied customers so I bin conservatively. Not running eye balls out to get a certain bin but more 100Mhz lower than can be achieved.
Like gibbo said we now sold well over 50 5g with many more sold in systems and bundles and not one return with most guys hitting 5.1.
5.1 bundles also zero returns and all sent out at 5.2ghz oc by myself. We are looking for satisfied customers here.
Only pre binned sku are anything to do with me.......
After delid the chips that I tried can then do at least 4.9 most 5g with less than 1.4v. Ofcourse we delid you get full warranty..... I am aiming for satisfied customers so I bin conservatively. Not running eye balls out to get a certain bin but more 100Mhz lower than can be achieved.
Like gibbo said we now sold well over 50 5g with many more sold in systems and bundles and not one return with most guys hitting 5.1.
5.1 bundles also zero returns and all sent out at 5.2ghz oc by myself. We are looking for satisfied customers here.
Only pre binned sku are anything to do with me.......
I was not going to mention our process but yes like Pack says every CPU we bin is:
- Binned before de-lidding with a 120mm AIO cooler
- Binned at 100MHz above the advertised speed before it is de-lidded to ensure stability in the customers setup, this is due to PSU, motherboard and memory differences, plus of course cooling etc.
- They are then de-lidded after being graded.
So in short, the 4.8 is tested at 4.9 and is stable at 4.9, it then gets de-lidded and the only re-test at that stage is at 4.9 again and testing for temps/stability, we do not try to push it higher. This then goes in the 4.8 boxes.
In short the chips do the advertised speeds without breaking a sweat, due to everything being tested 100MHz higher than advertised and prior to de-lidding.
As such many 4.8's will hit 5.0 especially for customers with the elite tier hardware and the larger/better AIO coolers or custom H20 cooling.
The 5.2 chip we sell, in theory in the perfect setup would actually hit around 5.4GHz.
We want customer satisfaction, but at the same time we are not testing 100's of CPU's and then charging a minimal fee, it has to be a profitable exercise for us as a company. That is why the chips than are graded above 5.1 cost a lot more due to their rarity and our testing procedure.
Those who are unhappy with the pricing, well sorry but tough, its a service so you can either cough up and pay or you can just buy a sealed retail CPU and chance the silicon lottery yourself just like you can by buying anywhere, were just offering our customers more options, but of course nothing is free and you cannot have your cake and eat it, were a business afterall. If you think you can do better, then setup in business and start selling pre-binned CPU's.
After seeing much binning, I dont believe in silicon lottery from you Guys, sorry. You already picked up batches with potential 4.8GHz+ below 1.4V, and I doubt anyone would get retailed version that is good overclocker.
I really appreciate your service, no faults here. But as I know you are binning CPUs, that is the only thing I wouldn't buy from you. Nor from other retailers that do prebinning or sell PCs with "guaranteed 5GHz OC".
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I really appreciate your service, no faults here. But as I know you are binning CPUs, that is the only thing I wouldn't buy from you. Nor from other retailers that do prebinning or sell PCs with "guaranteed 5GHz OC".
@8Pack
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After seeing much binning, I dont believe in silicon lottery from you Guys, sorry. You already picked up batches with potential 4.8GHz+ below 1.4V, and I doubt anyone would get retailed version that is good overclocker.
I really appreciate your service, no faults here. But as I know you are binning CPUs, that is the only thing I wouldn't buy from you. Nor from other retailers that do prebinning or sell PCs with "guaranteed 5GHz OC".
@8Pack
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This is probably the most common and moronic misconception that floats around these forums. If you buy a retail chip its just that, a RETAIL chip in a RETAIL box that's SEALED from intel, its that simple. If you want a binned chip then you buy a binned chip, that doesn't reduce the likelihood of a retail chip being a good clocker. Seriously.
After seeing much binning, I dont believe in silicon lottery from you Guys, sorry. You already picked up batches with potential 4.8GHz+ below 1.4V, and I doubt anyone would get retailed version that is good overclocker.
I really appreciate your service, no faults here. But as I know you are binning CPUs, that is the only thing I wouldn't buy from you. Nor from other retailers that do prebinning or sell PCs with "guaranteed 5GHz OC".
@8Pack
I left you a PM
This is probably the most common and moronic misconception that floats around these forums. If you buy a retail chip its just that, a RETAIL chip in a RETAIL box that's SEALED from intel, its that simple. If you want a binned chip then you buy a binned chip, that doesn't reduce the likelihood of a retail chip being a good clocker. Seriously.
As said. You are obviously not quite understanding the process. A retail CPU bought from OCUK has the exact same chance in the silicon lottery as one bought elsewhere. They don't retail CPU's that don't pass the binning process as retail chips. They are put in machines that are sold onto businesses. At least you can trust OCUK with that, where you may not trust other retailers, as you say.
What I was saying was that the 4.8 bin is not a delidded "stock" cpu, since it has been through the binning process, and will be one of the "worse" performers to pass that process. A simple de-lidding option might be a nice option for purchasers, as it allows the customer the opportunity with the "silicone lottery", and as the CPU isn't actually binned, there is a LOT less time invested in that CPU.
That being said, it probably doesn't make sense for OCUK to offer that service, since they offer the 4.8 bin. They presumably get a lot of the 4.8's during the binning process in finding the 5.0/5.1/5.2 CPU's. And so would need to sell them. So why would anyone take the 4.8 bin at a premium when a delidded option (no doubt with a similar premium too) gives them the chance of a better clock speed?
After seeing much binning, I dont believe in silicon lottery from you Guys, sorry. You already picked up batches with potential 4.8GHz+ below 1.4V, and I doubt anyone would get retailed version that is good overclocker.
I really appreciate your service, no faults here. But as I know you are binning CPUs, that is the only thing I wouldn't buy from you. Nor from other retailers that do prebinning or sell PCs with "guaranteed 5GHz OC".
@8Pack
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For the upteen time, we do not buy retail chips selectively and we do not test retail chips. Our stocks of retail processor is purchased from authorised UK distributors just the same as our competitors and when those CPU's arrive they go on the shelf in our warehouse, they are not sectioned off, they are a free for all. We use OEM CPU's for our binning and then when we do buy in batches we buy thousands, so the stock on the shelf un-tested is the same batch and silicon lottery remains.
Retail chips are not tested for the simple reasons they are sealed product from Intel and as I am the owner of CPU stocks, I do not allow them to be open or tested, only OEM stock is allowed to be removed for testing, binning, system integration and then anything removed does not go back into the stock, so the weakest CPU's will be graded as such or used in systems which do not feature overclocks.
As such anyone buying retail and even OEM gets a true silicon lottery CPU, if you read the reports on these forums of people buying CPU's from us that were not pre-tested you can see some are hit around 4.8 and others are hitting 5+ and some as high as around 5.3 area.
As such we would appreciate you stop spreading false information about us please.