"More than 1,000 girls abused in Telford for generations" - Inquiry report published.

The police in these areas didn’t investigate this matter due to incompetence, they didn’t investigate because they were order not to.

Every copper that went along with this needs to go into the sea alongside everyone else involved.
 
Another concerning aspect of this is there was a report on this on GB News a few days ago and the girl, who is a victim herself, then got a knock on the door from the police wanting to question her about her being on GB News talking about it.

I'm prepared to give the police, as a force, the benefit of doubt and think they might now be scrambling to make things right and after ignoring this girl during all this now want to talk to her. But from the description of how they approached her it was not good. There seems to be a lack of self awareness by the police on how to approach victims of crime.

I suspect there is a political element in these stories because it wasn't just about the police. It was also the local councils. In my view its in the polices interest to seriously start investigating these events and follow the leads no matter where they go.
 
Of course there is a political element to it, it goes without saying that what ever happens on the ground, there's someone further up the chain that knows about it. The fact of the matter is those in charge are more concerned about their own image, than the protection of our most vulnerable in society.

These people need to be named and removed from their positions as they are clearly not fit for the position of trust and power they have been given.
 
In any position where your decisions can ruin peoples lives there should be no room and no tolerance for corruption. Mistakes will be made and things slip through the net but when there is wilful negligence that leads to horrible outcomes then the people involved should be hauled over the coals.

This covers police, medicine, financial services, politicians etc
 
I feel that this sort of thing isn't just limited to sex abuse gangs not being investigated and thrown in jail, it just feels like the police force is in such a poor state - literally most forms of serious crime are going unchallenged, because there's just no bloody police force... There are just no bodies to deal with it, police "on the beat" are just a thing of the past..

We need more and better quality policing across the board, what should be a core pillar of society (law and order) has just turned into a joke, (unless you post a naughty word on twitter of course, then 5x of them will turn up at your door..)
 
There aren't enough police and they are being asked to do far more than ever with less resources and far more oversight and work involved. They are under a lot of pressure from a lot of directions and some of these directions are very politically motivated. They are constantly petrified of being accused of racism despite data showing that race is a large factor in crimes in certain areas.

There is no place in the police for racism but its not racist to acknowledge when someones race, gender etc is vital in addressing crime. If there was a white skinhead issue in an area I wouldn't expect them to be knocking on the doors of the local black families to balance out their investigations.

The world has gone a bit wonky of late where a lack of performative support is seen as tantamount to opposition. Where a claim of racism must be accepted and learned from despite there being no evidence for it.

Basically being a police officer these days must be a nightmare.
 
I'll tell you all one thing, if Sir James Anderton, recently deceased, late Chief Constable of GMP was in charge in Telford or Rotherham, these situations would never have developed in the first place. This is sod all to do with understaffing or underfunding, this is hierarchical decision making to sweep it under the carpet by multiple leaders of our various police forces and councils.
 
Clearly far more to do with a total lack of respect of women, thinking they 'asked for it' due to 'provocative clothing' or in many cases if the child in question came from the care system then it was assumed that they were damaged goods long past saving. Blaming it on being 'afraid' of the perpetrators' race seems like an easy cop-out for them, but I'm sure people will let them get away with it due to seeing an opportunity for their political advantage.

Not to say it didn't play a part as it obviously did, however I think it's a deflection from the wider problems with policing and trust in justice in this country.
 
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StriderX said:
Clearly far more to do with a total lack of respect of women, thinking they 'asked for it' due to 'provocative clothing'
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There is no clearly, it is a definitely. There's one example where an Indian news journalist interviewed men on the street in India about such matters. On one hand those interviewed said they respect women like their sisters, mothers etc, but other women? "Yeah it's all their fault for showing skin, men can't control themselves" and answers to that effect...

It's a learned culture that is treated as a thing to just ignore by the rest from a small minority of people but because it happened/happens so frequently, it isn't given a second glance typically until something is made public. Thankfully more people are against it than are supporting or ignoring it and these things do make the press regularly. WION have lots of news article videos about the rape culture of women and minors, here are a few, the issue spans the globe, not just the UK.



Other countries like Pakistan and India have more recently toughened laws and will apply the death penalty to rape offenders. There's no correcting these offenders. It should be the norm that the moment you harm an innocent person or animal, you automatically lose any basic human rights your citizenship would otherwise entitle you to. Either beat them until they force themselves to stop, or death penalty via the law. Jail time just uses up tax payer money which could better be used to educate kids in schools on what to watch out for, when and how to speak up and how to stick together etc etc.
 
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There is no clearly, it is a definitely.
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I think you have misread what he has said. Hes not said anything about the misogyny of the perpetrators, he's only commented that its got nothing to do with the police being scared of being accused of racism and everything to do with the police victim blaming and being misogynists.
 
Diddums said:
This will be a perfectly reasonable thread, I can see it already.
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In this day and age you cannot tell the truth, whether it is gender, race or religion, we have protect the flakes over real people being affected by real problems. It's extraordinary I can say things on Twitter of all places that I can't here. It's a wonder I bother any more
 
Probably quite easy to do a check on who was this and that during these awful times and name them today.

How difficult would it be to find out who wat running-police-council-social services and more?
 
When you underfund public services (police, NHS, transport, etc.), you pave the way for privatisation. Completely removing what is supposed to protect the average citizen. Make things fairer.

Considering the constant smear campaign against public spending and "socialist"-leaning policies in the last several decades (regardless if it literally directly will help people), situations like this particular one is but the tip of the iceberg of what austerity, poverty, and the pursuit for profit can do without being checked.

It won't happen to the affluent people. The disenfranchised are easy pickings for so many bad elements, Pakistani grooming gangs are one of the many roads an impoverished youth can find themselves associating with. And this is in the UK.

"We need more government funding to prevent situations like this from happening, but that sounds socialist, so let's not. Let's privatise it, or better yet, let's make an Uber Police."

A reminder that there's a bigger portion of abuse victims who were assaulted by members of their own families. If a lot of them aren't being helped by police, it's no wonder that this particular situation was over their head. They simply couldn't be bothered.
 
opethian said:
When you underfund public services (police, NHS, transport, etc.), you pave the way for privatisation. Completely removing what is supposed to protect the average citizen. Make things fairer.

Considering the constant smear campaign against public spending and "socialist"-leaning policies in the last several decades (regardless if it literally directly will help people), situations like this particular one is but the tip of the iceberg of what austerity, poverty, and the pursuit for profit can do without being checked.

It won't happen to the affluent people. The disenfranchised are easy pickings for so many bad elements, Pakistani grooming gangs are one of the many roads an impoverished youth can find themselves associating with. And this is in the UK.

"We need more government funding to prevent situations like this from happening, but that sounds socialist, so let's not. Let's privatise it, or better yet, let's make an Uber Police."

A reminder that there's a bigger portion of abuse victims who were assaulted by members of their own families. If a lot of them aren't being helped by police, it's no wonder that this particular situation was over their head. They simply couldn't be bothered.
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Conversely we could minimise or even stop the further importation of people with a totally alien view of acceptable social structure and behaviour?
 
fez said:
I think you have misread what he has said. Hes not said anything about the misogyny of the perpetrators, he's only commented that its got nothing to do with the police being scared of being accused of racism and everything to do with the police victim blaming and being misogynists.
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Well to be fair I it is easily attributed to the perpetrators as well, but yes my focus was on malpractice more than the general mistreatment of women.
 
It's interesting that people focus on these cases, yet when Prince Andrew is 'accused' it's suddenly just girls who didn't know any better and who were woo'd by a royal.

Let's ignore Jimmy Saville and victims of the Church, instead let's focus on the dirty foreigners. Are they so alien if the police practically encourage something that the royal family also indulge in? I'd say they're all of the same culture, a culture of the institutions at the very core of the country.

The police not wanting to be seen as racist seems like an easy scapegoat, is that the only reason why they didn't investigate?

How many times was the inquiry into Jimmy Saville halted? Why did it take until his death for it even to start?

It's clear the country has a problem with child abusers, at all levels of society, despite what the usual crowd on here think.
 
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