Most of what you believe about a healthy diet is probably not true.

Devilman said:
IMO The biggest issue with so many of these claims is the way they mis-represent what is happening to make it sound like doom and gloom.

99% of the time, those "increased risks" are in the order of 1% to 2% more likely THAN YOU WERE BEFORE to develop said illness.

So if you had 1% chance of heart disease, you now have 1.01 - 1.02% chance of developing heart disease. It is intentionally misleading to make big headlines and most people fall for it...
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Lies, dam lies and statistics.
 
andybird123 said:
Its actually people making money from youtube that highlighted this all to me ^
similarly another youtuber showed a graph overlaid by year of the increase in vegetable oil consumption (as you say most of which are extracted at extreme temps) vs. incidence of heart disease in the US, and they track basically directly
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So does (one example from many) USA spending on science, space and technology and suicide by hanging in the USA. 0.99789 correlation, which is an extremely strong correlation. Almost certainly a stronger correlation than the graph you refer to.

And no, that's not a joke. That's from the official stats for the USA, from the CDC for suicides and from the USA government for spending on science, space and tech.

www.tylervigen.com

Spurious Correlations

Correlation is not causation: thousands of charts of real data showing actual correlations between ridiculous variables.
www.tylervigen.com www.tylervigen.com

If you have enough data, it's very easy to find many correlations. The vast majority of them will be spurious.

Correlation is sometimes a useful potential possible indication of something that might possibly be worth looking at. Sometimes. It's far weaker than most people think it is and it's a very long way from causation.
 
Joking aside I would highly suggest people watch Sugar: The bitter truth.

Sugar is what is killing people

I would highly suggest watching this if you have the time.

As a pharmacist I remember watching this between lectures at University as we were studying metabolism and the effects of alkaloids on the contractile tissue of the gut.

Fat is not the issue, seriously it just hasn't been. Look at the number of people that are "Skinny" but develop Type 2 Diabetes. Lard and other animal fats are high in various fats but the human body is used to it. Whereas a Mars bar or any refined sugar specifically anything containing high fructose corn syrup- our body has no idea how to deal with it efficiently. The pancreas just goes haywire.

If you look at the pathway that high fructose corn syrup takes when it is broken down it is very similar to alcohol.

I can't stress how bad high fructose corn syrup is, it leads to a build up of Uric acid which causes hypertension, it causes dyslipidemia which leads to fatty liver disease, not only that but some of it leads to increased free-fatty acids which causes muscle related insulin resistance. The by-products of the breakdown of fructose leads to the activation of JNK1 enzyme which is related to inflammation.

I am yet to see how cutting refined sugars would cause any detriment to someone's life other than short term brain fog. You need fat, it is vital to cell growth and the structure of cells. Refined sugars are not really needed yet we consume so much in everyday products.
 
Angilion said:
So does (one example from many) USA spending on science, space and technology and suicide by hanging in the USA. 0.99789 correlation, which is an extremely strong correlation. Almost certainly a stronger correlation than the graph you refer to.

And no, that's not a joke. That's from the official stats for the USA, from the CDC for suicides and from the USA government for spending on science, space and tech.

www.tylervigen.com

Spurious Correlations

Correlation is not causation: thousands of charts of real data showing actual correlations between ridiculous variables.
www.tylervigen.com www.tylervigen.com

If you have enough data, it's very easy to find many correlations. The vast majority of them will be spurious.

Correlation is sometimes a useful potential possible indication of something that might possibly be worth looking at. Sometimes. It's far weaker than most people think it is and it's a very long way from causation.
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I already responded to this from someone else, I'm not just referring to correlation, there are actual studies showing that people who eat large amounts of vegetable oil suffer much higher incidence of heart disease, where people who mostly consume saturated fats do not, even where the same study showed that eating veg oil does lower cholesterol - it was found that having lower cholesterol does not prevent heart disease.
 
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Devilman said:
IMO The biggest issue with so many of these claims is the way they mis-represent what is happening to make it sound like doom and gloom.

99% of the time, those "increased risks" are in the order of 1% to 2% more likely THAN YOU WERE BEFORE to develop said illness.

So if you had 1% chance of heart disease, you now have 1.01 - 1.02% chance of developing heart disease. It is intentionally misleading to make big headlines and most people fall for it...
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Heart disease kills around 25% of people in the UK, so no your chance of dying from it is not 1%. No one has given an actual percentage figure for the difference it might make but the research I've read states they believe it's a significant factor. In fact most newspaper articles continue to plug this idea that veg oils lower cholesterol=less heart disease.
There have been very few headlines about this. Vegetable oil also represents 30% of all agricultural land use.
 
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There is no diet to immortality.
You are going to die.
If you die as healthy as you can be.
You die the exact same as a heroin overdose.
So ffs enjoy your food. Enjoy your time. Do what you do. Have a good day. :D Enjoy the fact you can have a good day. Some people are having really bad days.
 
andybird123 said:
Heart disease kills around 25% of people in the UK, so no your chance of dying from it is not 1%. No one has given an actual percentage figure for the difference it might make but the research I've read states they believe it's a significant factor. In fact most newspaper articles continue to plug this idea that veg oils lower cholesterol=less heart disease.
There have been very few headlines about this. Vegetable oil also represents 30% of all agricultural land use.
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Notice the use of "So IF" in my statement..

It was a hypothetical, not a factual percentage, used to illustrate a point.

The point I was making is that "increases your risk of" is a very often miss-represented and miss-interpreted statistic.
 
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Devilman said:
Notice the use of "So IF" in my statement..

It was a hypothetical, not a factual percentage, used to illustrate a point.

The point I was making is that "increases your risk of" is a very often miss-represented and miss-interpreted statistic.
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I mention heart disease 5 times in the opening post, hence why I thought it worth pointing out that heart disease isn't a 1% thing, so it's not a fair comparison to whatever you were talking about.

7% of the population have diabetes, 63% are overweight or obese, again driven by our current over reliance on carbs because we've been led to believe carbs are healthier than animal fat.
 
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andybird123 said:
I mention heart disease 5 times in the opening post, hence why I thought it worth pointing out that heart disease isn't a 1% thing, so it's not a fair comparison to whatever you were talking about.
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Again, it was hypothetical, no "comparison" was being made, AT ALL.

It was used to convey the observation of people often misrepresenting, or misinterpreting the statistics.

So it does not matter if you mentioned heart disease 5 times in your opening post, or that heart disease isn't a 1% thing.

But if it makes you feel happier, fine, let's use your 25% Heart Disease figure...

If we take this to suggest that most people have a 25% risk of developing Heart Disease and the press run with the headline "xyz increases your risk of heart disease by as much as 10%!"
Many people will miss-understand this to mean their risk is now 35%, when in reality they are talking about a 10% increase of your risk, which results in 27.5% "Total Risk" of Heart Disease.
 
andybird123 said:
Some things I learned recently due to new and updated research;
Salt intake has almost no effect on heart disease (low salt intake can actually increase your risk).
Dietary Cholesterol has no effect on risk of heart disease - vegetable oils actually increases risk of heart disease, saturated fats are more healthy (virgin olive oil and coconut oil are the best non-animal oils).
High sugar/carbohydrate intake also factor quite highly in heart disease risk.

I've also discovered that fasting (even just skipping breakfast) can have big health benefits.

Any other interesting titbits people want to share?
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This is not new? It's been known for a while that dietary cholesterol has little impact. Hence why eggs were demonised for so long but now considered a vital food for healthy diet for example.

Saturated fats from MCT is great.

Sugar has been known to be a toxic chemical for a while.

Fasting is well researched and very beneficial.

Good to see that this knowledge is starting to spread though. :)
 
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Freefaller said:
This is not new? It's been known for a while that dietary cholesterol has little impact. Hence why eggs were demonised for so long but now considered a vital food for healthy diet for example.

Saturated fats from MCT is great.

Sugar has been known to be a toxic chemical for a while.

Fasting is well researched and very beneficial.

Good to see that this knowledge is starting to spread though. :)
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It's been known yes, as in most of the research I'm referring to is at least 10 years old, but not by the majority of people - I've even had my doctor as recently as 6 months ago tell me I need to eat less salt and animal fat if I want to get my blood pressure down, but I've managed to do that doing the complete opposite of what he suggested, which hadn't been working for me for 10 plus years prior.
 
andybird123 said:
It's been known yes, as in most of the research I'm referring to is at least 10 years old, but not by the majority of people - I've even had my doctor as recently as 6 months ago tell me I need to eat less salt and animal fat if I want to get my blood pressure down, but I've managed to do that doing the complete opposite of what he suggested, which hadn't been working for me for 10 plus years prior.
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I guess it depends on your social circle and interests. As someone that has been fairly nutrition oriented for a couple of decades owing to sports and fitness I guess I was more in tune with it. Good to see it's permeating to more main stream knowledge.
 
andybird123 said:
I've lost 6kg in 3 months basically doing keto with a 4 hour which is better than I lost last time I did a calorie controlled diet and the major difference is that this is really easy so it's become an actual lifestyle change rather than "a diet"
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But it's whatever works for the individual. I lost 40kg in 7 months just doing calorie control and exercising. Bottom line is - calories in, calories out. I eat quite late in the day too (last snacks literally before I go to bed, otherwise my stomach wakes me during the night) and quite early in the morning. Worked great for me.
 
AndyCr15 said:
But it's whatever works for the individual. I lost 40kg in 7 months just doing calorie control and exercising. Bottom line is - calories in, calories out. I eat quite late in the day too (last snacks literally before I go to bed, otherwise my stomach wakes me during the night) and quite early in the morning. Worked great for me.
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Yes I've done calorie control too, lost loads of weight, 3 years later I put at least half of it back on
with what I now know about diet and health I'm actually eating more food that I prefer so I'm far less likely to back slide to just eating crap (which in hindsight doing calorie control I was still eating crap, but just less of it)

with calorie counting I was constantly hungry but just fighting the urge to eat, with keto I get hungry near lunch time, eat and the don't feel hungry again till the next morning but tend to have a light evening meal with the family more out of habit than anything else

and its not just about weight loss, sugar and vegetable oils are now linked to heart disease, cancer, insulin resistance / diabetes
 
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flibbage0 said:
I am yet to see how cutting refined sugars would cause any detriment to someone's life other than short term brain fog. You need fat, it is vital to cell growth and the structure of cells. Refined sugars are not really needed yet we consume so much in everyday products.
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Ok, I can replace veg oil with coconut oil, I can swap certain products for plant based alternatives... but ain't no way I can find a viable substitute for the sugar in my tea! Help me senpaiii
 
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