Most of what you believe about a healthy diet is probably not true.

[fez]

He asked what I ate to train and of course it was all high carbs and I'm still suffering because of it.

Thats interesting because the accepted wisdom in cycling is that you basically cannot over consume carbs / sugar while you are refuelling on a ride. You will make yourself sick before you can overload yourself into a danger situation.

Post ride its a different story. I assume that you don't eat quite like a cyclist when you are running however.

 

[andybird123]

Yeah, most modern diet stuff is crap. As a general rule, anything which would have been available to us naturally before everything became processed is probably not bad for you (in moderation), because it's what our bodies were designed to live on. Of course, you can't make money telling people that so they come up with all sorts of crazy new fads to sell to people who are unable to see through it. I used to read a lot of nutritional advice but stopped because at some point you realise that they're always just trying to sell you something new, and after a while everything you read contradicts something else you read.
Regarding animal vs veg fat, I watched a YT vid a while ago which said that the ones which are bad for you are the ones which oxidise easily. IIRC certain seed oils are the main offenders. They're also the ones which involve the most intensive extraction processes, which ties in with what I said about stuff that occurs naturally.

Its actually people making money from youtube that highlighted this all to me ^
similarly another youtuber showed a graph overlaid by year of the increase in vegetable oil consumption (as you say most of which are extracted at extreme temps) vs. incidence of heart disease in the US, and they track basically directly

 

[andybird123]

Thats interesting because the accepted wisdom in cycling is that you basically cannot over consume carbs / sugar while you are refuelling on a ride. You will make yourself sick before you can overload yourself into a danger situation.

Post ride its a different story. I assume that you don't eat quite like a cyclist when you are running however.

yeah this is the big problem, a lot of what doctors or nutritionists will tell you about diet is not true as they are working from out of date information

 

[Begbie]

Ah you want a diet of "less stuff" regardless of impact to health. Gotcha.

What a strange comment.

 

[BUDFORCE]

It is all in the genetics in the end. If your family have a history of problems do what you can to supplement it. If your families all live into their 90's go for it.

My grandad on both sides lived into their 90's. Both brought up on bread and dripping and both smoked for large portions of their life.

Yea I agree with this.

I think your lifestyle makes a difference, but the main factor is in your DNA to start with.

 

[Ayahuasca]

Coffee drinkers live longer.

 

[Kelt]

Coffee drinkers live longer.

In that case imma going to live to a hundred and fifty.

 

[R.P.L]

Its actually people making money from youtube that highlighted this all to me ^
similarly another youtuber showed a graph overlaid by year of the increase in vegetable oil consumption (as you say most of which are extracted at extreme temps) vs. incidence of heart disease in the US, and they track basically directly

Yeah, I think we probably watched the same video. For the record, I don't have a problem with people making money - just highlighting the reason why there's so much BS out there. Well, part of the reason at least.

 

[Somnambulist]

Seed oils are the latest food bogeyman and the cause for every ailment known to man (including sunburn… really).

 

[andybird123]

Seed oils are the latest food bogeyman and the cause for every ailment known to man (including sunburn… really).

okay, so digging in to this claim a bit more I can see where the daily mail headline has come from - oils extracted under high temperature (e.g. most vegetable/seed oils - also the cheapest type of veg oil so used in the vast majority of pre-packaged foods) are highly unstable and oxidise very quickly - as you may have heard there is quite a lot of evidence that oxidative stress causes skin damage and that anti oxidants are good for your skin... so veg oil contains a lot of oxidised lipids which will build up in your body, not only causing damage to your circulatory system, but also your skin, and if you are already having skin problems you are more likely to suffer sun burn, so its not as simple as saying "veg oil causes sunburn" as obviously that's false, staying in the sun too long causes sun burn, but if you consume high volumes of veg oil it could mean you are getting sun burn sooner than if you were not consuming it

 

[dlockers]

okay, so digging in to this claim a bit more I can see where the daily mail headline has come from - oils extracted under high temperature (e.g. most vegetable/seed oils - also the cheapest type of veg oil so used in the vast majority of pre-packaged foods) are highly unstable and oxidise very quickly - as you may have heard there is quite a lot of evidence that oxidative stress causes skin damage and that anti oxidants are good for your skin... so veg oil contains a lot of oxidised lipids which will build up in your body, not only causing damage to your circulatory system, but also your skin, and if you are already having skin problems you are more likely to suffer sun burn, so its not as simple as saying "veg oil causes sunburn" as obviously that's false, staying in the sun too long causes sun burn, but if you consume high volumes of veg oil it could mean you are getting sun burn sooner than if you were not consuming it

When they say veg oil, what do they mean? I use rapeseed and extra virgin olive oil. Am I safe to go into the sun?

 

[Yaayuh!]

When they say veg oil, what do they mean? I use rapeseed and extra virgin olive oil. Am I safe to go into the sun?

So long as you're not ginger.

 

[adam cool dude]

Coffee drinkers live longer.

I have never drank coffee and didn't start drinking tea till I was 20. I must be buggered then.

 

[andybird123]

When they say veg oil, what do they mean? I use rapeseed and extra virgin olive oil. Am I safe to go into the sun?

"Bad" veg oil is the heat extracted stuff - extra virgin is cold pressed, rapeseed can be cold pressed if you buy one that expressly states it, coconut oil and avacado oil are another couple of cold pressed alternatives too

Almost all ready made foods use the cheapest oils available and in large quantities so that's the stuff to really avoid

 

[Hades]

Bacon is the biggest cause of death..

In pigs.

Also the biggest cause of life in pigs. Without nom nom nom lovely bacon we wouldn't farm them. Any animal that isn't of use to the human race tends not to have a great outcome.

 

[dirtychinchilla]

Its actually people making money from youtube that highlighted this all to me ^
similarly another youtuber showed a graph overlaid by year of the increase in vegetable oil consumption (as you say most of which are extracted at extreme temps) vs. incidence of heart disease in the US, and they track basically directly

Correlation is not causation.

Correlation is not causation | Nathan Green's S word

Repeat after me, correlation is not causation, correlation is not causation, correlation is not causation …

www.theguardian.com

 

[Somnambulist]

What it always come back to from what I can see is that Americans have objectively one of the worst, if not the worst diets (on average) in the world, with even basic staples being unnecessarily hyper-processed in most cases. Consequently at some point or another every food or food group is demonised or blamed for all health ailments by a particular diet religion, and this then gets exported - as is pare for the course - out onto the rest of the world.

You read all the time about Americans who have issues with various foods but can come to Europe and eat the same things with no problem, their minds blown they can eat bread and pasta to no ill-effect.

 

[andybird123]

Correlation is not causation.

Correlation is not causation | Nathan Green's S word

Repeat after me, correlation is not causation, correlation is not causation, correlation is not causation …

www.theguardian.com

Yes I realise this, however multiple studies have shown that vegetable oil increases risk of heart disease, some of these were conducted by veg oil companies and when they publish the data they focus people on to the fact that veg oil is low in cholesterol and does help lower cholesterol ignoring the fact that this actually led to a higher incidence of heart disease and high blood pressure, not lower

 

[Smokey Deza]

It is all in the genetics in the end.

 

[Devilman]

Yes I realise this, however multiple studies have shown that vegetable oil increases risk of heart disease, some of these were conducted by veg oil companies and when they publish the data they focus people on to the fact that veg oil is low in cholesterol and does help lower cholesterol ignoring the fact that this actually led to a higher incidence of heart disease and high blood pressure, not lower

IMO The biggest issue with so many of these claims is the way they mis-represent what is happening to make it sound like doom and gloom.

99% of the time, those "increased risks" are in the order of 1% to 2% more likely THAN YOU WERE BEFORE to develop said illness.

So if you had 1% chance of heart disease, you now have 1.01 - 1.02% chance of developing heart disease. It is intentionally misleading to make big headlines and most people fall for it...