Soldato
Very interesting article on the McLaren problem here > http://www1.skysports.com/formula-1...pgrade-of-the-MP4-28-rescue-McLaren-s-season-
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Like JRS said, its more complicated than just blaming the compounds.
With refueling, the limiting factor in a stint was the fuel, not the life of the tyres, so you could push the tyres to the limit with no fear of them running out. Now refueling has gone the limit is the tyre life.
This is ok if you can manage that tyre life to fit into a strategy. Its ok to push hard and take an extra pit stop if the time you make up pushing hard covers off that stop. However, to do that you need the ability to run a strategy that allows for this, and the current alocations and regulations don't.
Imagine there are 2 compounds, the softer is .5 seconds quicker but lasts only 2/3rds of the life of the harder. You can run a 3 stop race with the softs over a 60 lap race, or a 2 stop race on the hards. The extra stop is covered by the softs being half a second quicker per lap over the race, so 30 seconds.
You can't do this with the current allocation or rules. With everyone running the softs for only 1 stint, maybe 2, they cannot make up enough time to cover off an extra stop. This, coupled with the requirement to run qualifying tyres at the start of the race locks the top 10 into the same strategy, and the rest of the grid into similar strategies, with the deciding factor being how well you look after the tyres.
It was the same with refuelling. Run lighter and faster and stop more, or run heavier and slower and stop less. The current tyre rules (not just the rubber itself) doesn't allow this mixed strategy racing. They are a hangover from the Bridgestones that lasted forever, and have no relation to the current Pirellis.
With refueling, the limiting factor in a stint was the fuel, not the life of the tyres, so you could push the tyres to the limit with no fear of them running out. Now refueling has gone the limit is the tyre life.
This is ok if you can manage that tyre life to fit into a strategy. Its ok to push hard and take an extra pit stop if the time you make up pushing hard covers off that stop. However, to do that you need the ability to run a strategy that allows for this, and the current alocations and regulations don't.
Imagine there are 2 compounds, the softer is .5 seconds quicker but lasts only 2/3rds of the life of the harder. You can run a 3 stop race with the softs over a 60 lap race, or a 2 stop race on the hards. The extra stop is covered by the softs being half a second quicker per lap over the race, so 30 seconds.
You can't do this with the current allocation or rules. With everyone running the softs for only 1 stint, maybe 2, they cannot make up enough time to cover off an extra stop. This, coupled with the requirement to run qualifying tyres at the start of the race locks the top 10 into the same strategy, and the rest of the grid into similar strategies, with the deciding factor being how well you look after the tyres.
It was the same with refuelling. Run lighter and faster and stop more, or run heavier and slower and stop less. The current tyre rules (not just the rubber itself) doesn't allow this mixed strategy racing. They are a hangover from the Bridgestones that lasted forever, and have no relation to the current Pirellis.
Soldato
Now that would go against the cost cutting teams\FIA ect want more tire needed more cost.
Just make the tires harder..job done..no extra cost and you could call them BRIDGDESTONE tires
Isn't the whole reason behind the Pirelli's being made of cheese due to the single stop races on Bridgestones being boring as hell?
Hard tyres don't solve the problem. When you have to make a single set last 50 laps you drive just as carefully too. A single lockup and your screwed.
Tyre management will ALWAYS be key while tyre life is the deciding factor in determining pit stops. The only way to remove it is to introduce something else that determines when a car stops. It used to be refuelling. Short of mandating all teams make 3 stops I don't see what else they could do at the moment?
Hard tyres don't solve the problem. When you have to make a single set last 50 laps you drive just as carefully too. A single lockup and your screwed.
Tyre management will ALWAYS be key while tyre life is the deciding factor in determining pit stops. The only way to remove it is to introduce something else that determines when a car stops. It used to be refuelling. Short of mandating all teams make 3 stops I don't see what else they could do at the moment?
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There were a few races where the tyres failing did make for exciting viewing, but it has gone too far now and it being every single race has took away what made it exciting for those few races... I'm not sure just making the tyres harder again will mean there will immediately be drivers pushing flat out, there will always be things to prevent that 100%.
Soldato
More Pirelli bashing again. Sigh.
Soldato
You do know that it's up to Pirelli to change the soft\hardness of the tires not the FIA?
"Pirelli says it will wait until after the Bahrain Grand Prix before reviewing whether its 2013 Formula 1 tyres are forcing drivers to be too conservative"
Again it's not up to the FIA
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Season Grands Prix Overtakes Overtakes per GP
[COLOR="Yellow"] 2013 2 111 55.50
2012 20 1,143 57.15
2011 19 1,152 60.63[/COLOR]
[COLOR="Red"] 2010 19 547 28.79
2009 17 244 14.35
2008 18 260 14.44
2007 17 270 15.88 [/COLOR]
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What was the major change for 2010 to double the number of overtakes per race?
Soldato
Could have been the new team entries.
Soldato
You do know that it's up to Pirelli to change the soft\hardness of the tires not the FIA?
"Pirelli says it will wait until after the Bahrain Grand Prix before reviewing whether its 2013 Formula 1 tyres are forcing drivers to be too conservative"
Again it's not up to the FIA
Yes, I am aware of that. Pirelli are only doing what the FIA asked them to do.
Soldato
That just shows that you like fake racing i.e. DRS\soft tires ect
2007 to 2010 was the closest racing ever in F1. 2011\2012 was a bore feast watch vimto pull away and GONE.
But I'm glad you like it this way and WON'T be happy when things change
Soldato
So you would be aware that the FIA did not ask for them go to this extreme?
Agree
Indycar does it right, at least on the last two items. It was entertaining to see de Silvestro hold onto the car in the long stint at the end, maintaining track position over drivers that did extra stops. Also, Hinchcliffe won the race on hard compound tyres when the soft is considered optimum for the sprint to the finish. F1 tyres as they stand would never last 30+ laps. Oh, and passing on the track happens alongside refuelling
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Refueling was banned for 2010. The overtake stats do not include overtakes done in the pits. That could account for the rise in 2010.
That just shows that you like fake racing i.e. DRS\soft tires ect
2007 to 2010 was the closest racing ever in F1. 2011\2012 was a bore feast watch vimto pull away and GONE.
But I'm glad you like it this way and WON'T be happy when things change
What is your problem?
Soldato
Like most in this forum and (by reading the net)world wide we don't like fake racing.
I like real racing in fact I can't name a real one on one race since these silly tires have been used.
But go back to 2004 till 2011 and you can name loads of good races. Oh for the good old days