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fixed as in "each pitstop must be xx seconds"
The only impact i can see on this time would be the releasing in a safe manor.
I dont like the fact that a driver can be doing exceptionally well out on track but one guy in the pits can screw over the advantage because he didnt get his tyre bolted on quick enough. Yes F1 is a team sport, but the driver should be the only one able to make a difference come race day, as the car is the rest of the teams input, not the pitstop.
I think that the tyres this year are just exaggerating the problem of time losses/gains due to pitstops and if they made the tyres just a little less flackey then it wouldnt be such a big impact. It also seems very visible that the drivers are driving very much to the tyres as well. I know that the have always done this, but it just seems very very obvious this so far this year, and its making the races seem less, well, just less if that makes sense.
The only impact i can see on this time would be the releasing in a safe manor.
I dont like the fact that a driver can be doing exceptionally well out on track but one guy in the pits can screw over the advantage because he didnt get his tyre bolted on quick enough. Yes F1 is a team sport, but the driver should be the only one able to make a difference come race day, as the car is the rest of the teams input, not the pitstop.
I think that the tyres this year are just exaggerating the problem of time losses/gains due to pitstops and if they made the tyres just a little less flackey then it wouldnt be such a big impact. It also seems very visible that the drivers are driving very much to the tyres as well. I know that the have always done this, but it just seems very very obvious this so far this year, and its making the races seem less, well, just less if that makes sense.
pitstops were not a fixed time, there was a massive variance between someone taking on 10 laps of fuel and 30... and fuel level differences and the straergy played a much bigger part in the on track passes then the actual pitstops did.
That would be because you weren't reading
I was not directly responding to you, hence I never quoted your post
But yeah 140mph cars in the pitlane is a great idea, I note you suggest a race DQ as punishment for a unsafe release, what would the punishment be for the mechanics caught up in a 140mph crash due to unsafe release in the pitlane be?
Probably something along the lines of what they'd get at the current speed limit, hardly going to make their day getting ran over or otherwise clattered into at 62mph is it? The fact that this hasn't properly happened yet despite all the retarded antics that seem to go on in the pitlane these days is a minor miracle.
By the way, the sports car incident you referred to earlier was caused by brake failure was it not? So said mechanic was going to have a rather nasty confrontation with the car whether it was doing 100km/h or half that. I've been hit by a car at ~20mph, it was damned unpleasant and I was lucky to get away with it. I'm not going to suggest that he would still have died had the limit been lower (and presumably since the car was without brakes it was having a bit of trouble getting down to the limit anyway), but I wouldn't have thought you could make the inference that he'd have been saved by a lower limit.
One last point - there's a key word here. "Limit". Not "Target". Just because the speed limit is raised it does not follow that a driver has to go that quickly. If there's lots of mechanics around the pitlane, I'm sure the (alleged) best drivers in the world can be relied upon to use their judgement and go a little bit slower if the situation calls for it....
oh come on dont be ridiculous!!!
Of course every RACING driver is going to go at the limit they are allowed at every chance they have.
Its not just about the driver, its about what the team want and not letting anyone down (even without considering any win bonus any driver might get).
Would anyone care if X driver lost a race / championship because he was going at 60kph in the pitlane rather than the winner who went x kph faster? No-one at all would care, and the winning team would be celebrating.
The ONLY (relatively ) safe way is to have a low speed limit in the pit lane , as they do now (a fixed pit stop length would never get agreed /ratified by the FIA imo - although it sounds good)
yea it was always amazing to watch someone on a 3-4 pit stop strategy charging through the field and having to pass cars doing 1-2 pit stops to make their strategy work.
people seem to forget all the good things refuelling gave us on track and only remember the imaginary pit stop overtakes that were apparently so common.
It also brought us entertaining things like the trulli train
those trains were awesome , the recent schumacher trains certainly spiced up the action a lot and gave us the suspense of "will he/wont he" something F1 is severely lacking these days theres almost no glued to the screen suspense anymore you see someone faster , you know hes going to wait for the DRS zone and fly past like hes racing a gp2 car
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"To finish first, first you must finish". Even if that means slowing up a bit on occasion
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Nope, but only just. Massa briefly topped Alonso in 2010 after three races (Sepang), though remembering back, Alonso was still as quick as Massa with the faulty gearbox he had, which probably caused the eventual expiration of his engine, while Massa eventually finished 7th.
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With all this talk of pit stops, one question has just occurred to me.
Is there any reason why the team principals and engineers have to still be sat on the pit wall during the race?
Up until the 80's/90's, radio technology was not good enough to allow pit to car communications, so they relied on pit boards. These obviously had to be updated quickly, so everyone making decisions was on the pit wall.
Since most communications are done via radio now (only using pit boards during radio failure), the need for anyone to be on the pit wall is negated. Surely they would only need one bloke on the wall in case of radio failure, the rest of the team could be put in the garage, where they would be easier to talk to by the pit reporters, like you see if American motorsport.
Is there any reason why the team principals and engineers have to still be sat on the pit wall during the race?
Up until the 80's/90's, radio technology was not good enough to allow pit to car communications, so they relied on pit boards. These obviously had to be updated quickly, so everyone making decisions was on the pit wall.
Since most communications are done via radio now (only using pit boards during radio failure), the need for anyone to be on the pit wall is negated. Surely they would only need one bloke on the wall in case of radio failure, the rest of the team could be put in the garage, where they would be easier to talk to by the pit reporters, like you see if American motorsport.
As an engine supplier? Or fully fledged team? I can't imagine they would come back as a team without also being an engine supplier.
Any more on this?
Webber possibly leaving F1 at the end of 2013 to drive for Porsche in its LMP1 return in 2014?
As available drivers to lead the team go, Webber is a good target for Porsche. I suppose it depends on a) if he gets offered an RBR seat, and b) if he would be happy going to another F1 team if he isn't.
As available drivers to lead the team go, Webber is a good target for Porsche. I suppose it depends on a) if he gets offered an RBR seat, and b) if he would be happy going to another F1 team if he isn't.