But go back to 2004 till 2011 and you can name loads of good races. Oh for the good old days
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You must have missed it but here you go
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You come back with some statistics about how many fake overtakes there was.
So I took it from that. I did in all fairness ask you why you thought 2007-2010 was boring but you posted an statistic.
Pirelli coming in with these new tyres that actually degraded was a gust of fresh air, now however they're starting to get a bit silly with the supersofts falling apart after starting the car. It'll always be hard to find a medium and please all the F1 fans but I much rathered fuel stops being the limiting factor rather than tyres. Bring back refueling too!
I still think they need to revisit the pitlane speed limits. Even if they had tyres to put on, teams would still be averse to the risk of pulling a driver in and turning him loose on fresh boots because he could well be 25 seconds back and mired in traffic.
It would also have the happy effect of getting the teams to stop releasing cars into the path of another one - when there was no limit, a driver getting released into the pitlane with another car bearing down on him was a much rarer occurence than it is now. It's one of the few safety rules that was brought in on shaky ground and has only made a dicey situation far, far more dangerous.
Unfortunately I think the FIA increasing pit speed limits is even less likely than them giving out more tyres. They have actually dropped it at some tracks and during practice sessions recently.
I made no mention of fake overtakes or what I do or don't like. You made those bits up yourself.
I made no mention of fake overtakes or what I do or don't like. You made those bits up yourself.
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If anyone knows of any interesting motor sport books I can take on holiday with me please let me know in this thread.
Yep. Introduced in 1994 to make the newly introduced fuel stops a tad less dangerous.
Mechanics a few of feet from an F1 car doing 120mph+ at the end of a pitlane. Not a good idea, as a marshall found out when he ran into the path of Tom Pryce's car in 1977.
Well aware that they weren't put in to put people off making pitstops, thank-you
They were introduced post-Imola after a wheel came off Michele Alboreto's Minardi following a pitstop. Nothing at all to do with refuelling.
"Team owner Dietrich Mateschitz says Webber a candidate,Kimi also considered"
http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2013/apr/02/mark-webber-red-bull-2014
Have Lotus got the money to keep kimi or will their be a webber\kimi change over.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2013/apr/02/mark-webber-red-bull-2014
Have Lotus got the money to keep kimi or will their be a webber\kimi change over.
The thing is, if they reduce the number of people in the pit lane, or take the American/A1GP aproach and ban any mechanics in the pitlane until the car is in the bay, then it will make the stops take longer, meaning any time saved by driving quicker would be lost again through a slower stop.
F1 pit stops are already at the far end of safety regarding people in the pitlane and speeds. Most other series, including those that are inherently safer due to enclosed wheels, already have much stricter rules around pitlane safety. Having 20 people from each team in the pit lane, 60mph speeds, and allowing spinning wheels while on the jack are all things that other series have already clamped down on.
Banning mechanics from coming out into the pitlane until their car is in the final sector of the lap would help. But then, no speed limits in the pitlane used to work okay (it's one of the few things that you can really say that about in F1) so why shouldn't it work now?
There are no more mechanics in the pitlane now than there were in 1993. The pitlanes themselves are generally roomier than they were back then (Christ, they've even managed to make some elbow room in Monaco!). There are fewer teams competing now. The cars aren't going to be going any quicker than they could back then, possibly slightly slower given that traction control was allowed 20 years ago.
If you were to set up a sort of exclusion zone for the pit boxes themselves, and say have only eleven men allowed in there. That gives you two for each wheel (one on the airgun, one to take off and replace the wheel at that corner), front and rear jackmen, and a guy with a lollipop. That should be enough guys for a smooth, quick pitstop. Make it so that they can only enter that pitbox when the car is in the final sector of the in-lap. Then raise the pitlane limit to 140mph. Punishment for an unsafe release would be disqualification from the race and a monumental fine. Punishment for breaching the 140mph limit would be disqualification from the race. Punishment for sending your men into the garage early would be....eh, you get the picture.
There are no more mechanics in the pitlane now than there were in 1993. The pitlanes themselves are generally roomier than they were back then (Christ, they've even managed to make some elbow room in Monaco!). There are fewer teams competing now. The cars aren't going to be going any quicker than they could back then, possibly slightly slower given that traction control was allowed 20 years ago.
If you were to set up a sort of exclusion zone for the pit boxes themselves, and say have only eleven men allowed in there. That gives you two for each wheel (one on the airgun, one to take off and replace the wheel at that corner), front and rear jackmen, and a guy with a lollipop. That should be enough guys for a smooth, quick pitstop. Make it so that they can only enter that pitbox when the car is in the final sector of the in-lap. Then raise the pitlane limit to 140mph. Punishment for an unsafe release would be disqualification from the race and a monumental fine. Punishment for breaching the 140mph limit would be disqualification from the race. Punishment for sending your men into the garage early would be....eh, you get the picture.
This is the case, unfortunately.
No matter how much sense it might make, at the end of the day it would be the FIA removing a safety regulation they put in, and in the eyes of the public, making the pitlane more dangerous.
This is something the FIA are never going to do in a million years. They have their Action for Road Safety campaign image to uphold.
I don't see why focusing on pit lane speed is a way to fix F1, the teams actually wanted to lower the speed limit after a mechanic was killed in a sportscar race at Spa but the FIA said no, I don't see any reason to start increasing it and risking such accidents as it really adds nothing to on track action.
That would be because you weren't reading
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And I dispute that raising the limit would increase the accident rate. They have many more near-collisions now than they ever did without a speed limit - I don't know if it's complacency setting in, or some other factor but it needs working on.
I suppose they could reduce the limit, make it cost +40seconds to come in and get back out and up to speed, do away with the 'must use both tyres' rule and make the two tyre compounds very different. Ultra-quick soft tyres that would require you to make 4 stops on average, slower hard tyres that only need changing once or twice. You'll get the Hamiltons and Vettels running the soft tyre in the knowledge that they stand a decent chance of bulldozing their way back through the field several times, and the Alonsos, Buttons and Perezeseseses running the hard tyre and relying on smoothness and metronomic precision.
Some guys will over-do it on the soft tyre and have to make too many stops to make the time up. Some guys won't be able to make the hard tyre quick enough to be in with a shout. Those guys won't win races. But the guys who can maybe run a three stopper on the soft tyre without killing their speed will win races. Or the guys who can run the harder tyre quickly enough.
Lol @ Perezesesseseses 
The solution that the FIA are more likely to adopt is to change the tyre rules. Having 2 componds that are 1 second apart, and who's life over 60 laps is 2 pit stops different (1 stop on hards, 3 stops on softs) gives a 60 second race advantage and a 60 second (2x30 second) pitstop disadvantage, so they balance out.
But this only works if teams can run whatever combination of tyres they want throughout the race (i.e. no requirement to run both compounds), and can start on whatever tyre they want (i.e. no requirement to start on qualifying tyres).
Changing those rules is far more likely than just increasing the pitlane speed limit.
Basically, we need teams on very different strategies. The current rules force everyone onto the same strategy. The 'use both compounds' rule wasn't actually primarily aimed at forcing people to use both compounds, its main aim was to mandate at least 1 pit stop to prevent people doing the whole race without stopping on the indestructable Bridgestones. This isn't a worry any more, as none of the Pirellis will last a whole race.
The solution that the FIA are more likely to adopt is to change the tyre rules. Having 2 componds that are 1 second apart, and who's life over 60 laps is 2 pit stops different (1 stop on hards, 3 stops on softs) gives a 60 second race advantage and a 60 second (2x30 second) pitstop disadvantage, so they balance out.
But this only works if teams can run whatever combination of tyres they want throughout the race (i.e. no requirement to run both compounds), and can start on whatever tyre they want (i.e. no requirement to start on qualifying tyres).
Changing those rules is far more likely than just increasing the pitlane speed limit.
Basically, we need teams on very different strategies. The current rules force everyone onto the same strategy. The 'use both compounds' rule wasn't actually primarily aimed at forcing people to use both compounds, its main aim was to mandate at least 1 pit stop to prevent people doing the whole race without stopping on the indestructable Bridgestones. This isn't a worry any more, as none of the Pirellis will last a whole race.
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why not just introduce fixed pitstop times to take any/all racing out of the pitlane. stops could be esily fixed to 10 seconds and that would give plenty of time for everything to be done and for the cars to be let go. Everyones stops should be the same and the impact on the overall race minimal.