Motorsport Off Topic Thread

smr said:
I love the circuit. Brilliant to drive and I love watching the challenge for the drivers on TV.
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Personally I find it one of the worst. It's too tight, similar to Valencia, so there's hardly any place for drivers to race each other properly.

Maybe I just have a hatred of all the circuits which are only on the calendar because they give Bernie a truck load of money, without having any local interest or talent in the sport whatsoever.
 
deuse said:
Viewing figures show that sky lost F1 viewers and the BBC viewing figures went up.

http://f1broadcasting.wordpress.com/2013/08/20/the-ratings-picture-the-2013-verdict-so-far/

Always knew this was going to happen and I can only see it getting worse next year. Then maybe sky will give it up :)
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The BBC can't afford it so unless you think Channel 4 or 5 are going to put as much into it as Sky then good luck. The amount of F1 output is huge compared to even what the BBC did recently (which was a big step up from ITV before).
 
I still can't see why any other (free-to-air or otherwise) broadcaster would even want to throw their hat into the ring with F1 right now. It's not exactly in great shape. Hell, I'm amazed that the BBC are even sticking with it.

Really hoping that the rule changes for next year do something. Also really hoping that a freak accident involving a grizzly bear wipes out much of the current leadership of the FIA. Hey ho.
 
I love the way that deep down behind all the cynicism and bitterness there is usually a small crumb of sensible fact in your posts, JRS :p

Just look at WRC for an example of what happens to a sport when there isn't a broadcaster willing to throw money at it. The only reason the BBC still show F1 is that they couldn't really get rid of it all together without being sued through the nose. The BBC don't want it, Sky do, and they are willing to pay handsomely for it, so as far as I'm concerned they can have it, as the alternative is no live F1.
 
Duke said:
The BBC can't afford it so unless you think Channel 4 or 5 are going to put as much into it as Sky then good luck. The amount of F1 output is huge compared to even what the BBC did recently (which was a big step up from ITV before).
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Did you know the BBC has a turn over of over £5bn a year and £3.6bn came from the licence fee.

Wonder how many million they get in interest each month?
To put if another way F1 cost the BBC £40 ml+ a year.
The BBC paid out £100 million+ to the show the program called The Voice. Can't afford it! they **** money.
 
Skeeter said:
The 'turn over' argument again!

Just give it up dude, seriously, your making yourself look stupid.
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WHAT! do you think when banks loan money to major companies they don't look at the turn over?

Oh I see now.... You're still having thoughts about having sky, don't worry about it.
To those who don't know look for his posts about having sky ;)

On another topic.

Roscoe is seriously ill with pneumonia and has been in the vets for 5 days :(
Come on Roscoe :)
 
I suggest you brush up on your finance knowledge, and go read the BBC annual accounts.

The BBC are most definitely not rolling in money, or making millions a month in interest. Turn over on its own means nothing.

HMV had a turnover figure of over £1bn last year, for example.
 
Skeeter said:
I love the way that deep down behind all the cynicism and bitterness there is usually a small crumb of sensible fact in your posts, JRS :p
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If I'm cynical and bitter about F1, it's because I do honestly care about it and because I'm disappointed about how tedious it has become :o

Mind, I've always been reasonably cynical about many elements of it. Because let's face it, if you can't be cynical about one of the world's richest sports being chock full of people that seem hell-bent on killing the golden goose that makes them so wealthy then what can you be cynical about?
 
I don't think they are hell bent on killing it, they are just to scared or weak to do what is required, meaning we end up with a slow moving compromised sport that takes so long to react to its problems that the problems themselves have changed by the time they get there.

The fact IndyCars have turbos and NASCAR has electronic fuel injection while F1 still persists with NA shows how slow it is. Is F1 the last FIA World Championship to have adopted turbos? Should the 'pinacle of motorsport' be the last to the party?

I actually think the problem might be that the teams have too much say in what goes on. By definition they are not going to agree, so we end up with a Pirate Court situation from Pirates of the Carribean, everyone acts in their own interest and nothing changes. The governing body needs to take back control of the sport and have the balls to impose the changes needed.
 
JRS said:
I still can't see why any other (free-to-air or otherwise) broadcaster would even want to throw their hat into the ring with F1 right now. It's not exactly in great shape. Hell, I'm amazed that the BBC are even sticking with it.

Really hoping that the rule changes for next year do something.
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It's strange, usually the long gaps and close season go on forever. Now I barely care the close season went quickly and the gap between races seem small. It's a real positive too not wasting sunny summers days watching live F1.

Naively I'm hoping next year will be better.
 
I must say, I don't get the drive to have races at 1pm European time on a Sunday afternoon. The morning or evening races are far more convenient. I'm pretty sure that's part of the reason the Canadian race is so popular over here.
 
Skeeter said:
I suggest you brush up on your finance knowledge, and go read the BBC annual accounts.

The BBC are most definitely not rolling in money, or making millions a month in interest. Turn over on its own means nothing.

HMV had a turnover figure of over £1bn last year, for example.
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True but HMV didn't have the UK gov forcing people to pay £3.9 bn to them every year ;)

As JRS says F1 is finished no more racing what so ever. Even the tops drivers say the same.
Glad I lived through the epic years of F1 racing which we will never see again...ever.
 
Skeeter said:
I must say, I don't get the drive to have races at 1pm European time on a Sunday afternoon. The morning or evening races are far more convenient. I'm pretty sure that's part of the reason the Canadian race is so popular over here.
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Personally I'd love it if they were all early morning races, love those... Then you have all day for whatever else :)
 
deuse said:
True but HMV didn't have the UK gov forcing people to pay £3.9 bn to them every year ;)
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Why do you think the TV License is some massive pile of free money the BBC roll about in like Scrooge McDuck? The TV License is a major part of the BBCs income, which they use to run the organisation and produce content. They don't just stash it all in a bank and then set about implementing massive cost reducing exercises for fun.

To put your 'OMG £5bn revenue' figure into context, the BBC Channels made a profit of £47m in 2012/13, with the whole BBC Worldwide group making £156m. Hardly rolling around in spare cash to spend £25m a year on a few car races.

Glad I lived through the epic years of F1 racing which we will never see again...ever.
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Yet here you are, every race.

JRS made a nice Then vs. Now thread. Why don't you dig that up and reminisce about how you used to be able to freely read practice and qualifying reports in the paper, and watch delayed race highlights on BBC in the evenings...
 
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Skeeter said:
JRS made a nice Then vs. Now thread. Why don't you dig that up and reminisce about how you used to be able to freely read practice and qualifying reports in the paper, and watch delayed race highlights on BBC in the evenings...
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The world championship had been going for quite a long while before the BBC started showing the whole season. And they didn't even send commentators to the long-haul (i.e. non-European) races for a long time - Murray would go over to the circuit at the beginning of the weekend, pick up all the stories, then fly back to the UK and do the commentary at the BBC studio. The illusion of him and James Hunt 'being there' got broken one year at the South African GP, when Hunt launched into a tirade about the evils of apartheid and ended it by saying something like "anyway, thank God we're not there!" :D

Anyway, watching a season from highlights packages isn't so bad, as long as there are some ******* highlights. That's why the BBC coverage of the BTCC used to be so good - they'd make a show for each race solely from all the best bits (and there were always plenty to go around, not something you can necessarily say about the BTCC all the time these days) and have Murray record a commentary track. And it was always a great show. When they moved to showing it live, it never had quite the same appeal.
 
God the golden age of BTCC, man I miss it :(. Old (scottish) men allowed to punch people without a care in the world and a breeze in their face...

ps3ud0 :cool:
 
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