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Tooling dude and NASCAR team boss Gene Haas has been granted an F1 entry for 2015. Hopefully he makes more use of it than the horrific abortion that was USF1... and hopefully Colin Kolles is on his blocked calls list.
 
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I would be pleased if they got F1.

I'm assuming this comment is based solely on the fact you have BT Sport and don't have Sky Spots :p

Tooling dude and NASCAR team boss Gene Haas has been granted an F1 entry for 2015. Hopefully he makes more use of it than the horrific abortion that was USF1... and hopefully Colin Kolles is on his blocked calls list.

9 months to build and F1 car. I going to set my default response to all conversations about Hass making it to the 2015 grid as "Lol, yeah right, never going to happen!" and wait to be proved wrong. :D
 
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9 months to build and F1 car. I going to set my default response to all conversations about Hass making it to the 2015 grid as "Lol, yeah right, never going to happen!" and wait to be proved wrong. :D
Does seem a bit stupid of Bernie/FIA to give a new team no more than 9 months to get ready. Surely the idea of a new team is to increase the size of the grid so surely the best thing to do is to give the team as much time as possible to get ready so that it is a more prepared and funded team that is more likely to last compared to HRT and other teams with low budgets and not much time to prepare?
 
Does seem a bit stupid of Bernie/FIA to give a new team no more than 9 months to get ready. Surely the idea of a new team is to increase the size of the grid so surely the best thing to do is to give the team as much time as possible to get ready so that it is a more prepared and funded team that is more likely to last compared to HRT and other teams with low budgets and not much time to prepare?

Not a single one of the 3 new teams the FIA selected last time round made it to the F1 grid.
 
Manor and Campos did make it, but not in the form they were in when selected. Both had to be bought out (Campos might have even changed hands twice before the season started, can't remember) before the season started. And only Manor remain in the form of Marussia.

My point being that the FIA selected 3 teams to join F1 based on what form that team was in when they selected them, and not a single one of those made it without requiring substantial extra investment. But then the 2010 team selections were more about political allegiance than actually selecting competent teams they felt would thrive. I mean just look at some of the names not selected, and count how many points those that did have accrued in 4 years... :p

So basically, I think were all entitled to be rather skeptical about the FIAs ability to select teams :D
 
Manor and Campos did make it, but not in the form they were in when selected. Both had to be bought out (Campos might have even changed hands twice before the season started, can't remember) before the season started. And only Manor remain in the form of Marussia.

My point being that the FIA selected 3 teams to join F1 based on what form that team was in when they selected them, and not a single one of those made it without requiring substantial extra investment. But then the 2010 team selections were more about political allegiance than actually selecting competent teams they felt would thrive. I mean just look at some of the names not selected, and count how many points those that did have accrued in 4 years... :p

So basically, I think were all entitled to be rather skeptical about the FIAs ability to select teams :D
Yes, I would agree that the last intake was rather political considering the FIA's push at the time for a £50m budget cap or was it $50m? Weren't the three teams selected because they miraculously chose the Ford Cosworth engine package that the FIA hinted might be a good choice?
 
Yep, pretty much. The FIA had failed to push through plans for a single spec engine (with hints Cosworth were top choice to make them), and the big manufacturers and strong players were threatening to break away. Then miraculously 3 new teams were selected who all chose Cosworth engines and were far to small to mount any sort of political challenge to the FIA.

There was rumour that one of the teams not selected tried to sue the FIA over the selection process, but I think it was brushed under the carpet. Stories went around that any application that didn't want to run a Cosworth engine went straight in the bin :rolleyes:.

The best bit of the whole saga was after a couple of years, once the politics had called down and the FIA didn't need it's political minions any more, both the FIA and Bernie started complaining about how the slower teams were rubbish and dangerous and F1 should only have 10 teams :rolleyes:.
 
Politics eh! :p I wonder what would happen if Haas can't get a team and car ready in time AND Tony Fernandes doesn't get fed up with Caterham F1's lack of progress and sells up to Haas. Would Haas have also acquired Caterham's F1 entry or would he still need to make use of the entry rights just granted to him? :p
 
I'm assuming this comment is based solely on the fact you have BT Sport and don't have Sky Spots :p

I have both but if they got F1 I would get rid of the sky :D

I would rather it stayed on the bbc but sadly not, I used to watch all the beebs coverage. With sky I just turn on 1 minute before the start and turn it off at the flag.
 
Erm... that's a good question. I suppose it depends on if the grid slot is in Haas' name, or the name of a team.

It gets quite interesting when teams change hands about who gets what historic money. Its why we had the odd situations of BMW Sauber Ferrari, and a team called Renault not owned by Renault at all (or one called Lotus either, for that matter).

Although, I did notice Proton logos on the Lotus cars this year. Have Proton come back to F1 again this time with the other Lotus team?
 
I have both but if they got F1 I would get rid of the sky :D

I would rather it stayed on the bbc but sadly not, I used to watch all the beebs coverage. With sky I just turn on 1 minute before the start and turn it off at the flag.

Turn on 30 minutes before for Martins grid walk, go make tea, watch the race, wait for the podium to finish, turn off. Been doing that since the ITV days tbh. The race coverage is what matters, the wrapped around stuff is negligible. The BBC race coverage is dire.
 
The BBC race coverage is dire.

As I said the other day, 'dire' doesn't even cover it. It's bad right up to the point of being unwatchable. Which I guess will please TPTB no end, because it'll boost Murdoch's viewing figures.

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It'd be sort-of okay if it was just the pre-race and post-race fluff that was crap, but the commentary during the race on BBC is indescribably bad.
 
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As I said the other day, 'dire' doesn't even cover it. It's bad right up to the point of being unwatchable. Which I guess will please TPTB no end, because it'll boost Murdoch's viewing figures.
Put it this way. I can get BBC F1 in HD. Or I can listen to Martin Brundle on Sky. I watch Sky. :) I never ever tune in to GP coverage before 10 minutes to go. I'm just not interested in that stuff.
 
The BBC race coverage is dire.

Sadly, that is true. They've ruined what was brilliant. As much as I like Brundle, I was fine when he went to Sky, but Humphrey leaving (in theory the least important, but he made the whole pre and post-show) was it. McKenzie should have got the lead several times over before they brought Perry in (which is akin to BT choosing that cider lass for the MotoGP). Gary Anderson, while starting poorly, eventually proved to be an excellent addition, but he left to do bit-part reports for Autosport.

I know he has his detractors, but Edwards is still the most natural successor to Murray I've seen, so I'm happy with the commentary itself. He dumbs it down a bit too much (he used to race himself, so he's not ignorant) like Allen used to do on ITV, but he does it in a far less obvious way.

Telling in the end, the big loss was Mark Hughes to Sky. If Humphreys was the gel on camera, Hughes was the gel off it. It's such a shame, as somehow it all struck such an awesome balance, but they've lost it.

That said, the Sky footage pre and post-race is still very, very poor compared to what the BBC used to be. They're gaining cohesion now, but it's taken them over 2 seasons. Take Lazenby out and it would be acceptable, but he's still a Humphreys wannabe with zero charisma and a rather slimy demeanor.
 
Take Lazenby out and it would be acceptable, but he's still a Humphreys wannabe with zero charisma and a rather slimy demeanor.
Agree with most of your post apart from the bit I've quoted. :D Why are you being so nice to/about Lazenby? He's awful. Like you say, he's trying to be Jake Humphrey or at least that's what Sky want him to be and it doesn't work. :o
 
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