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Will be interesting to see how close other cars were to the limit that day Spunkey.

Surely there's a big spreadsheet somewhere we'll get to view? :D
 
"Mercedes' lawyers have labelled Red Bull's actions in Australia as a "flagrant breach" of the rules during Monday's hearing in Paris"

McLaren, Force India, Lotus and Williams are there to. FIGHT :)
 
Reports say Domenicali has quit

So, Brawn or Whitmarsh to replace him you reckon? Hope for Brawn tbh

Brawn didn't exactly leave on good terms with the team after being overlooked for team principal.

Genuinely don't want Whitmarsh to head that way, I'm not Ferrari's biggest fan, but even I wouldn't wish him upon them.
 
Replacement has already been announced, it's Marco Mattiacci who was CEO of Ferrari North America. A salesman.

Ferrari don't half make some odd decisions.

Brawn didn't exactly leave on good terms with the team after being overlooked for team principal.
You can't be Ferrari F1 team boss without an Italian-sounding surname.
 
Replacement has already been announced, it's Marco Mattiacci who was CEO of Ferrari North America. A salesman.

Ferrari don't half make some odd decisions.

It's a perfect solution for them. They're a team based on image and a salesman is absolutely what they need to get more hats, key rings, t-shirts and god knows what sold.

;)

You can't be Ferrari F1 team boss without an Italian-sounding surname.

Like Todt.... ;) :D
 
Anyhoo. Back to the appeal.

I found a couple of interesting bits, to me anyway.

Ricciardo only did 5 laps with consistent measurements below 100kg/h. And they were behind the safety car.

Mercedes vulture shows calculations that Ricciardo gained 0.4s/lap by ignoring the FIA and that the alternative measurement system is a software calculation rather than a hardware measurement based system.

Red Bull chap confirms the 0.4s/lap figure. As for the software model, I'd always take a physical reading over an calculated guess.

Red Bull were asked to change the offset by 1.015% - apparently equalling 0.4s/lap

11:43 Witness Jeff Calam of Red Bull is called. No one has a question for him, not even Paul Harris. General laughter in the hall.

FIA... Arse... Elbow...

2 different sensors used in Australia and Malaysia. During calibration/testing, the only differences in flow across the two different sensors was due to ambient temperatures. So the Australia sensor was working.

Ricciardo's total fuel range from 99.02kg and 103.37kg/h over the 58 laps.

Laps 1-12 show 100.5 to 100.8kg/h
Then safety car when all was ok.
After safety car - 100.4 to 101.1kg/h
And to keep Magnussen at bay it averages 101.0 and 101.1 kg/h

Peak of 3.37% over the 100kg/h limit? So even with the 0.25% accuracy of the sensor, that's still in excess of 2.75% over the limit.

3 sensors failed in Australia.
4 in Malaysia
5 or 6 failed in Bahrain.

Issues from Bahrain have been corrected. There was a seals in them that could be damaged by the fuel, which then killed the sensors themselves. Great..... Any connection to the sensors that failed and the fuels the teams used?

More interesting, Sensors were either working or were completely dead.

"We have found in some cases that when installing the sensors, the threads for the fuel feed lines was drilled so deep that the measurement section is damaged.

Oh dear.... Morons. Now, it depends if the teams or the manufacturer were responsible for cutting the threads. There is the potential for deliberate damage forcing the teams to revert to their preferred software guesstimation which could be more benificial for them. Just a thought.

And Red Bull are still going on about how the engine was running 20° hotter in Malaysia than in Australia, so the sensor comparisons across the two races are completely useless.

I really can't see how Red Bull can win this at this point.

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Red Bull vulture while questioning FIA chap says that although they did go over the 100kg/h limit, the average was always below that.

FIA chap comes back with it perfectly clearly, you must always be below the 100kg/h limit. If Red Bull had applied the correction, they would have been below the limit.

ZING! Red Bull vulture shoots himself in the foot.
 
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It seems that Mercedes would have left F1 as well if they had stayed with the old NA V8s: http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/26943423

Since Renault said they would have left too, that would have left just Ferrari making engines.

Considering how vocal they were against the I4, that's quite unexpected.

But it does add more weight to the argument that, like the new engines or not, something had to be done. F1 with a single engine supplier is bad enough, but that engine supplier being Ferrari... Oh dear.
 
Considering how vocal they were against the I4, that's quite unexpected.

But it does add more weight to the argument that, like the new engines or not, something had to be done. F1 with a single engine supplier is bad enough, but that engine supplier being Ferrari... Oh dear.
Presumably Mercedes felt that the I4 turbo was even less relevant to them than the NA V8 in the context of F1
 
I think the config of the engine be it inline 4 or v6 is to a point arbitrary, as engine tech is pretty modular, but the Inline engine is more difficult to use as a stressed part of the chassis. People I think get too hung up on the config of the engine its not really the part thats relevant when talking about road cars, as they always will come with whatever config suits the purpose, doesnt stop the technology involved being transferrable and relevant though, the cosworth dfv that won 150+ races in f1 was developed first as an inline 4.

anyway I was watching a mid week report on sky f1 and i cant remember who said it but they were saying its poor show that ferrari were so vocal in complaining about the new drivetrain formula now they seem to have not done a very good job, given that it was ferrari who wanted the v6 in the first place lol.

as for the red bull hearing, merc seem to be looking for a bit of payback over the way redbull behaved over the tyre test lol.
 
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updates from the red bull appeal. will need something like google translate as its german. interesting though!

http://ticker.auto-motor-und-sport.de/

Been following all day.
The Merc lawyer saying this is a more serious breach than the BAR three race ban. BAR also tried to use a software model to see they were under fuel limit rather than the agreed values, but unlike RBR they weren't repeatedly told during the race. No verdict suspected till tomorrow.

I can't see how RBR can win. And if they do, you might as well let all teams measure they're own everything, with uncalabrated measuring equipment.
 
Been following all day.
The Merc lawyer saying this is a more serious breach than the BAR three race ban. BAR also tried to use a software model to see they were under fuel limit rather than the agreed values, but unlike RBR they weren't repeatedly told during the race. No verdict suspected till tomorrow.

BAR very deliberately went out of their way to hide this from the FIA and stewards. RB are trying to get off on a technicality. From a sporting perspective, it couldn't get more different.
 
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