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Bernie is an idiot, Renault were in contact with the FIA about the proposed regulations. The FIA don't come up with random regulations out of the blue, they discussed it with ALL the teams before making a final decision, it couldn't even possibly happen any other way. The other option is zero contact with the manufacturers and the FIA just making up some random spec that may not be possible and could drive all the manufacturers out of the sport.

AFAIK almost everyone was against the change from V8's except Renault who said they would leave the sport without a change to the engines. The initial proposal iirc was hybrids but mgu-h's/120KW mgu-k weren't in the picture and it was a v4 1.6l. Only Renault were interested in that and the other guys came around with v6 1.6l, the mgu-k was increased to 120KW and MGU-H added as the idea at the time was electrical only power in the pits which needed bigger mgu-k, bigger battery and more harvesting potential to fill said battery.

This was all talked about for years. Renault started design on the engine when the final regulations were announced end of July 2011, they have a time line of the design on pg 10 here

http://www.renaultsport.com/IMG/pdf/rsf1-moteur2014-presskit-en_final2.pdf

They had plenty of time to make good, they just didn't. Even before this July 2011 date they were pushing and begging for a move from V8 and knew it was going to be hybrid. Maybe Merc took a risk and started more serious design work before the regulations were ratified, but they may have changed and that work wasted, clearly there would have been months before this the teams could be reasonably sure what the final regs were and were certainly having meetings about what the final regs would be LONG before they were finished.


http://www.gizmag.com/fia-2014-formula-one-regulations/19322/

http://syn.org.au/F1/News/2011/June/Formula-One-Chooses-V6-For-2014

couple of articles on it, back then they were talking about lack of noise being a potential problem already. Bernie didn't want these engines from day one, he's been vocal about bad mouthing them at any chance he's had.
 
Renault/RBR blame game continues and confirmation that Renault are looking into the possibility of buying Torro Rosso.

http://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/renault-says-last-minute-push-to-blame-for-f1-woes

I guessed as much, Renault with a slightly different group of upgrades in the final engine spec meant testing on that specific unit was basically non existent, the maps from RBR/TR tests didn't apply. I think TR did better because as a non top team they were happy with a conservative/sensible engine map(though they still had problems and didn't love the driveability). RBR probably tried pushing much harder and ended up in a worse place with the engine. Their aggressiveness resulted in things like Kvyat's MGU-K accelerating rather than harvesting energy under braking in FP2 I think it was.

I think they'll have significantly improved for next race but the when they use the rest of the tokens we can see where they are compared to the front runners, till then they have the least upgraded engine and probably the least performance upgrades... the Ferrari was rock solid last year and seems to have focused on performance while Renault was anything but so probably used a lot less tokens on improving performance.
 
The fact Mercedes had early prototypes of components for the Inline 4 engine format built and being tested shows you just how serious they were about hitting the ground running.
 
Get them weeds pulled out of the old Hockenheim tarmac, the calendar needs more low downforce tracks!
You'll need to pull up more than weeds - large bushes in most places. Plus the Tarmac's all been removed for years. The only clue to where the track was is the forest is higher on either side...
 
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Marussia paying back 1.3p on the pound to their unsecured creditors. This is why I hate Marussia/Manor. They got into debt, they paid that money getting into that debt to earn the money that the current team will get. They owe Ferrari 15mil, Mclaren 7.1mil, Pirelli 1mil, etc. I hate this "let a company die, get a favourable debt repayment option go on and rake in the profits under a new name" bullcrap. The £30mil should go to pay off the original creditors, AFTER that if Manor can compete with money they have I'm happy to have them. But writing off debt and handing last years winnings to Manor rather than the people the team who actually competed for that money owes is despicable IMHO.

Considering the amount of debt and how many smaller companies could probably really do with that money. Even Ferrari, they have plenty of cash but unless they are overcharging Manor £15mil for this years engines I'd be irate to be asked to give them engines when I knew they really owed us £15mil.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/...ssia-to-pay-creditors-just-1.3p-in-pound.html

They lost £30mil last year alone, in 8 months, 11mil the year before. They owed 60mil total but 30mil to unsecured debt. So Ferrari instead of getting 15mil back will get what 200k... and the new team can pocket £30mil in winnings. How on earth, in accounting terms, can F1 be set up such that the team that competed for and deserves that £30mil... goes to a new company. It's absurd.

EDIT:- not quite as terrible as I thought, seems like the new guys put in a whole 500k to effectively buy out Manor, that 500k gets split between something between 26-36mil(wasn't quite clear) of unsecured creditors(Ferrari, others). The Russian bankrolling them invested £132mil... that gets written off entirely, then around 25mil of secured debt is transferred to the new Manor. With last years prize money they end up almost making 9mil profit effectively. I hope Ferrari charge them extra for engines this year... a lot extra.

The fact Mercedes had early prototypes of components for the Inline 4 engine format built and being tested shows you just how serious they were about hitting the ground running.

Yup, but they didn't have any extra information/time than anyone else, as with all the discussions now for the future, they are all involved. It's up to the companies themselves to choose when to start R&D and when to get seriously involved. Merc may have made the leap earlier, they may not have, they would all have had loads of time before the final regulations were set with a really damn good idea of exactly what was coming. I am surprised that Renault's own info suggests they started working on the engine effectively the day the regulations were confirmed, as in, lots of people saying they were at about the 2 year mark when the 2014 season started. True for some components I guess.
 
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Money. A new circuit won't have a chance of getting on the calendar without government backing or serious private funding. Portimao doesn't have either and never planned to. From day 1 it was only ever planned to get F1 Testing certification.

Such a massive shame as its an absolutely fantastic track.
 
Is there any reason why mclarens didn't choose to make their own engines??

I mean they have and MGU-K and now make their own engines for their road cars, wonder why they didn't want to take the jump.

It's weird when it's been said a few times that red bull might make their own engines.
 
You'll need to pull up more than weeds - large bushes in most places. Plus the Tarmac's all been removed for years. The only clue to where the track was is the forest is higher on either side...

Yup. It's pretty much all forest now. Which is a real shame. It was a proper mans track and immensely atmospheric.

Makes finding Jim Clarks crash site a real pain.
 
The track/promoters are not selling enough tickets to make it worth running the event. I'm intrigued how with Mercedes winning everything last year, plus Rosberg and Vettel at the sharp end how they can barely shift 45000 tickets for raceday?

The track looked less busy that the daft tilke tracks in the middle of a nowheresville paddy field in Bernie's new favourite developing nation with cash to waste.

Anyone know what the attendance for domestic motorsport like DTM was at the same track out of interest?
 
Monaco

only track that truly sucks IMO

They should really try something new with Monaco, introduce a time trial round or something, effectively a few qualifying sessions with a few points up for grabs in each session.

There are tracks that just aren't suited to modern formula one cars, with Monaco it's not been good in donkeys years. There are tracks, including Australia where it's quite awesome seeing a qualifying lap getting nailed, pure high speed on the edge speed, but in terms of racing is just awful. Qualifying is better than the race because drivers are on the limit and racing themselves. The race is no where near the limit and no one is racing anyone.

Seems to be a race that won't get shunted off the schedule because frankly too many rich people live there and attend the event. It's a big event for wining and dining the sponsors, but I'd enjoy seeing several qualifying events. Throw in some tire limits, two sessions on the fast, one on the slower tire but you can choose when to use them, so if you choose right you might beat other cars in one of the three sessions as a result.

I'd happily see them just leave the place but as said, I don't really see that happening.
 
It's the only track that doesn't pay a hosting fee (which winds Bernie up no end I'm sure) so Bernie can't even play the 'pay up or we'll go elsewhere' card. The teams would go mental as it's THE place to wine and dine Sponsors.
 
Yup, just can't see it going. I'm sure if I had the cash it would be a great weekend, maybe not of motorsport but hanging around(presuming I had the money and could get into some of the parties or events). They could at least shake up the 'racing' such as it is. With almost no over taking, only changes at pit stops I'm sure most people watching wouldn't mind seeing them do less laps but a heck of a lot faster.

I might attend to watch that but I really don't think I'd go to watch a race there. Though they could do other events. I watched a karting race on youtube between Senna, Pique I think, Prost, Herbert maybe and a bunch of others, was a bit dull on a indoor track and bad video tbh but probably great to see in person. Seeing the top racers around Monaco in karts would be freaking epic :p
 
The track/promoters are not selling enough tickets to make it worth running the event. I'm intrigued how with Mercedes winning everything last year, plus Rosberg and Vettel at the sharp end how they can barely shift 45000 tickets for raceday?

I've asked a few friends in Germany about them in the past. They don't consider Rosberg to be German and they don't like Vettel.

They prefer Hulkenberg.
 
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