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Soldato
That doesn't work as in that case Chelsea hadn't produced anything... The correct analogy is 'Imagine if a home grown and trained/developed Chelsea player was blocked from joining Manchester United... ' well that obviously can happen because of contracts, so really what you're saying doesn't work.
But Chelsea can stop (to a large extent) Man Utd from buying their best players to become more competitive.
I'm hopeful that the Haas formula for entering a new team proves successful and that helps a shift towards customer teams buying parts they need, putting them together and going racing. I realise that doesn't help RB in the here and now, but it might make F1 a bit more stable in years to come by showing that you can turn up and be competitive.
I'm hopeful that the Haas formula for entering a new team proves successful and that helps a shift towards customer teams buying parts they need, putting them together and going racing. I realise that doesn't help RB in the here and now, but it might make F1 a bit more stable in years to come by showing that you can turn up and be competitive.
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Well others pointed out this is wrong, but more importantly it's irrelevant. Utd/Chelsea being able to block the other one from being competitive doesn't change the fact that banning them would still be detrimental to the premier league.
More importantly, Ferrari and Mercedes can't block each other from having a stronger engine, they just need to make themselves a better engine.
What F1 needs is more manufacturers, not less, less would absolutely destroy F1. There would be no development race, no interest, no change year to year, no shake up in the running order. Whoever had the best aero guy wins. If Ferrari make a better engine than Merc next year they can win, Sauber can be more competitive and the order changes. If everyone had the same basic engine, Newey team wins, full stop, every year, till he dies. Is that somehow better?
Soldato
Probably common knowledge to many here but I didn't know that Christian Horner is worth $7.5 million, is married to Geri Halliwell, and is an OBE. Quite a revelation to me!
Not a great analogy is it.
More like imagine if Chelsea could refuse to sell a player, they had the rights to, to Man Utd because they didn't want to help them.
Mercedes produce and own the design of those engines forever. They can do whatever they want. I you want them to change their mind then make an offer they can't refuse.
Soldato
Wrong thread.
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Not sure if you guys are watching the GP2, but that sunset looks awesome.
Soldato
Google understands F1...
Oh and the F1 media staff are also on the game with their chosen picture...
https://www.formula1.com/content/fo.../Licenses_driving_protocol_and_penalties.html
Oh and the F1 media staff are also on the game with their chosen picture...
https://www.formula1.com/content/fo.../Licenses_driving_protocol_and_penalties.html
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/121308
And yet more waaaaaaa from Red Bull.
Seriously you petulant idiots, you did this to yourselves.
And yet more waaaaaaa from Red Bull.
Seriously you petulant idiots, you did this to yourselves.
Soldato
Red Bull terminate their contract with a supplier a year early in a limited marketplace with only four suppliers, and two good ones. Then throw their toys out of the pram when those two, who are both rivals don't appear bearing gifts.
Numpties.
I wouldn't quit my job, without having signed a contract of employment for a new one. Same applies here.
Numpties.
I wouldn't quit my job, without having signed a contract of employment for a new one. Same applies here.
Still wouldn't be worth the risk of giving them an engine.
Newey's also a damn hypocrite. Complaining about how F1 is too engine performance dominated yet, when we had engine stability and maturity and it was far more aero dominated, he never said a word and was quite happy for Red Bull to dominate.
I've been following F1 for decades and this is the usual cycle. A team will rise to the top then fall back down the order again, then fight back and so forth. I've lost count of how many teams have been through this cycle, often several times, but I've never seen one throw such a petulant strop as have Red Bull. They just can't deal with not winning all the time and, barely a season and a half after winning four straight titles, they're ready to quit.
Go on then. Good riddance. Don't let the door smack you in the *** on the way out.
Newey's also a damn hypocrite. Complaining about how F1 is too engine performance dominated yet, when we had engine stability and maturity and it was far more aero dominated, he never said a word and was quite happy for Red Bull to dominate.
I've been following F1 for decades and this is the usual cycle. A team will rise to the top then fall back down the order again, then fight back and so forth. I've lost count of how many teams have been through this cycle, often several times, but I've never seen one throw such a petulant strop as have Red Bull. They just can't deal with not winning all the time and, barely a season and a half after winning four straight titles, they're ready to quit.
Go on then. Good riddance. Don't let the door smack you in the *** on the way out.
I think terminating an engine agreement due to under performance in order to try and secure a deal of one of the 2 better units is the exact opposite to throwing a petulant strop and quitting?
They are trying to get back to being competitive, and have gone as far as risking their entire existence to try and get it.
Ignoring where your allegiances lie, having more teams up the front is better, no matter who they are. People need to think a bit before being so hasty in wishing one of the teams most likely to take the challenge to Mercedes would leave.
If RBR do leave, and then we get another Mercedes dominated year, you will only have yourselves to blame.
They are trying to get back to being competitive, and have gone as far as risking their entire existence to try and get it.
Ignoring where your allegiances lie, having more teams up the front is better, no matter who they are. People need to think a bit before being so hasty in wishing one of the teams most likely to take the challenge to Mercedes would leave.
If RBR do leave, and then we get another Mercedes dominated year, you will only have yourselves to blame.
Soldato
"Risking their existence" or emotional blackmail. It's a fine line.
You think they are trying to emotionally blackmail a German car firm and Ferrari...
One doesn't know how to care, and the other is to busy caring about itself
RBR could have just kept Renault engines, floated around the mid field for a few years, got bored and left. But instead they decided they wanted better, took a big gamble in trying to get better, and have been stung by it. The midfield is full of people who are happy to just exist there, should we really be shooting down a team who has decided they want to win rather than chill with Force India and Lotus, watching the big boys from the sidelines?
Mercedes vs Ferrari vs RBR is better than Mercedes vs Ferrari, its as simple as that.
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Soldato
I never for one second suggested it was a good plan! I reckon they've hired Baldrick as chief strategist for this negotiation.
Simplest solution is that Renault design a better engine.
From what I remember both Mercedes and Ferrari engines were being discussed as genuine possibilities when RBR called time on their Renault contract. Wolff and Areivabene were both saying they were happy to supply RBR.
So RBR cancelled their contract, went back to Mercedes and Ferrari and went "hi, let's finalise this engine deal then", only for Mercedes and Ferrari to go "ha, tricked you, were not going to give you engines after all".
RBR may be arrogant, but I'd seriously doubt they terminated their Renault contract without being confident of having a replacement. It's been a collective effort from all of them to get RBR into this situation.
So RBR cancelled their contract, went back to Mercedes and Ferrari and went "hi, let's finalise this engine deal then", only for Mercedes and Ferrari to go "ha, tricked you, were not going to give you engines after all".
RBR may be arrogant, but I'd seriously doubt they terminated their Renault contract without being confident of having a replacement. It's been a collective effort from all of them to get RBR into this situation.