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900bhp yo

http://www.f1technical.net/news/20232

Mercedes' Andy Cowell has confirmed that the team's engine facility at Brixworth have managed to hit 900bhp with their hybrid 1.6l turbo V6 Formula One engine. Even more so, Cowell is adamant that the limit is far from being reached.

Talking to media at Mercedes' High Performance Power Trains headquarters in Brixworth, Andy Cowell revealed Mercedes has hit 900bhp last year and is now peaking in excess of that number.
 
Makes the plans to throw the whole formula in the bin and invent a new one in order to hit 1,000bhp a bit of a joke, doesn't it.

Small increase in boost, or a better MGUK and they would be there. Might even hit 1,000bhp within the current rules by 2017 now the tokens system has gone.
 
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I agree with him that it won't equalise them, however it should bring the spread closer, you shouldn't have engines like this years honda. Secondly don't care, f1 was and should always be about the tech and there hasn't been enough of that since the early 90s so anything which allows development is good imo. If I want close racing i'll go watch a single spec series. F1 is about the tech development.
 
Newey now moaning about the rules being changed to allow engine development.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/35520719

Newey only whines when the regulations don't benefit him (and his team). I don't seem to remember him moaning when Red Bull had a massive advantage due to their Exhaust-Blown-Diffuser.

Paradoxically, I seem to remember him and Horner crying like mad to the FIA at the start of the 2009-season when Brawn, Toyota and Williams all had the Double-Deck Diffuser, and somehow he missed the 'loophole' in the regulations that allowed it, despite it being pointed out months earlier in public by Ross Brawn, thereby forcing a redesign of the back of the 2009 Red Bull.

Newey is an amazing engineer and aerodynamicist, but he is just sore that it is no longer all about aero anymore.
 
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A few sites now running with that story and saying an announcement is due today - would be great if true, as he seems to be a genuinely talented driver. Obviously they still have a huge task, but with the Merc in the back, a decent young driver and what seems to be a bit more financial stability it'd be great to see Manor show some progress this year.
 
Naturally the deal would have come at a price, but then every deal does, up and down the pit lane.

Fernando Alonso's entry to Ferrari was significantly sweetened by Santander sponsorship.
Then his move to McLaren was heavily influenced by Honda, who pay for the full cost of the engine development.

Mercedes benefit massively from the marketability of Hamiltons image.

McLaren retain Button due to his image value as well as Santander ties.

The lists go on, but whats clear to say is Wehrlein is not just tipped to be making up the numbers unlike many drivers in recent years.
 
Newey now moaning about the rules being changed to allow engine development.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/35520719

Rather than junk the token system, I would have thought increasing or decreasing tokens on a year by year basis depending on performance would help close the gap.

Also, either allowing teams to add their own software or forcing engine manufacturers to issue the same software to works and customer teams.

Also, testing. Introduce an extra days testing every 3 or 4 races. I accept engine development doesn't have to be at the track (ala Honda) but at least it gives those struggling a chance to catch up.
 
Rather than junk the token system, I would have thought increasing or decreasing tokens on a year by year basis depending on performance would help close the gap.

This does sound sensible. As much as Merc have done a fantastic job, I think most viewers would rather see the engines on a reasonable par among manufacturers.
 
It's amazing how much manipulation had to go on now to balance spectacle and still allow for team autonomy

It's it just a broken system that pushes to and fro from essentially standard cars to individual manufacturers dependent on the past season or twos result?

At present trying to reign in Mercedes dominance and help renaults/hondas inadequacies.. Without saying.. Here you go guys.. Here are some extra tokens just for you.

The level of micro management to achieve entertainment is just bewildering now
 
A few sites now running with that story and saying an announcement is due today - would be great if true, as he seems to be a genuinely talented driver. Obviously they still have a huge task, but with the Merc in the back, a decent young driver and what seems to be a bit more financial stability it'd be great to see Manor show some progress this year.


If he does well and Rosberg doesn't will the title. I can see Wehrlein getting his seat at Merc in 2017.
 
If he does well and Rosberg doesn't will the title. I can see Wehrlein getting his seat at Merc in 2017.

Hope so, one year deal so keeps his options open.

It's amazing how much manipulation had to go on now to balance spectacle and still allow for team autonomy

It's it just a broken system that pushes to and fro from essentially standard cars to individual manufacturers dependent on the past season or twos result?

At present trying to reign in Mercedes dominance and help renaults/hondas inadequacies.. Without saying.. Here you go guys.. Here are some extra tokens just for you.

The level of micro management to achieve entertainment is just bewildering now

So what do you suggest, out of interest? Or would you prefer free reign and accept there will be huge gaps in the field?
 
I have less of an issue with the abolition of the token system than I do with the lack of a single homoligated engine requirement!

Letting Mercedes off the leash is less of an issue if the 4 teams using their engines all got the same kit. But as it stands, not only can Mercedes spend unlimited amounts on unlimited development, they can also apply that solely to the units in their own cars, while selling everyone else year old, non upgraded items.

So in reality, with 4 engine manufacturers, allowed to sell non upgraded current year engines as well as 'some spec' of last years engine, F1 currently has the potential to have 12 different engines on the grid...

(If you take it to the extreme, then technically the rules allow 5 different specifications of engine per supplier per year, so across 2 years and 4 suppliers there's actually 40 potentially different specifications of engine that could be in use!)
 
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