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That might not be so bad if they had engine suppliers queing up to supply teams..

But they really don't. :P Still, i guess we'll see what effect it has very soon and the bright ideas that Bernie/the FIA/JT and anyone else come up with to fix it.
 
Hope so, one year deal so keeps his options open.



So what do you suggest, out of interest? Or would you prefer free reign and accept there will be huge gaps in the field?

I don't know, I think in an ideal world a budget cap with little other restrictions is my preferred option. But it seems impossible in reality

I don't think there is a solution. From DRS to tokens. It's all artificial.

I just know Btcc is more entertaining, far cheaper and much simpler. I think now I'm not a hardcore fan I'd just like to see a spectacle.
A few teams have a lot of resources, and a few have almost none. No longer can a low budget outfit ever gain supremacy. Just way it is. I can't see it changing.
How can anyone but the works teams win now. (count redbull as a works team basically in their day).. With B spec engines no one but ferrari, Mercedes have a chance. If Honda and Renault can't get their act together. And legs face it. Mercedes and Ferrari will out spend them over time.

Surprised Renault don't pull out. I mean things aren't exactly rosy.
 
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I don't know, I think in an ideal world a budget cap with little other restrictions is my preferred option. But it seems impossible in reality

I don't think there is a solution. From DRS to tokens. It's all artificial.

I just know Btcc is more entertaining, far cheaper and much simpler. I think now I'm not a hardcore fan I'd just like to see a spectacle.
A few teams have a lot of resources, and a few have almost none. No longer can a low budget outfit ever gain supremacy. Just way it is. I can't see it changing.
How can anyone but the works teams win now. (count redbull as a works team basically in their day).. With B spec engines no one but ferrari, Mercedes have a chance. If Honda and Renault can't get their act together. And legs face it. Mercedes and Ferrari will out spend them over time.

Surprised Renault don't pull out. I mean things aren't exactly rosy.

And why does BTCC work? Customer cars.

F1 has always been artificial, the whole concept of a "Formula" regulation set is a constructed set of regulations, or 'formula', that defines a non standard race series that doesn't exist as a natural progression of any normal cars. So then making some artificial rules to solve the problem isn't really an issue in a series thats entirely artificial from the ground up anyway.

I've mentioned my proposed solution many times before. Customer chassis' available in a single spec from each manufacturer, customer engines available in a single spec from each manufacturer, and a Teams championship rather than a Constructors one. A team buys a chassis, an engine, bolts them together, puts a couple of drivers in them, and competes. LMP2 is basically becoming this, so I'm watching that with keen interest...

You would have to wrap it up in a number of rules and regulations to ensure clarity and a level(ish) playing field, and avoid the RBR engine style issue, but from a racing spectacle perspective, things would certainly be more exciting if the grid was made up of 8 Mercedes, 8 Ferraris and 8 Red Bulls with a decent engine in the back, rather than 2 Mercedes, 2 Ferrari's and 20 other people who shouldn't really bother to turn up.

F1 is artificial, always has been. So lets make the artificial-ness work for it rather than against it.
 
And why does BTCC work? Customer cars.

F1 has always been artificial, the whole concept of a "Formula" regulation set is a constructed set of regulations, or 'formula', that defines a non standard race series that doesn't exist as a natural progression of any normal cars. So then making some artificial rules to solve the problem isn't really an issue in a series thats entirely artificial from the ground up anyway.

I've mentioned my proposed solution many times before. Customer chassis' available in a single spec from each manufacturer, customer engines available in a single spec from each manufacturer, and a Teams championship rather than a Constructors one. A team buys a chassis, an engine, bolts them together, puts a couple of drivers in them, and competes. LMP2 is basically becoming this, so I'm watching that with keen interest...

You would have to wrap it up in a number of rules and regulations to ensure clarity and a level(ish) playing field, and avoid the RBR engine style issue, but from a racing spectacle perspective, things would certainly be more exciting if the grid was made up of 8 Mercedes, 8 Ferraris and 8 Red Bulls with a decent engine in the back, rather than 2 Mercedes, 2 Ferrari's and 20 other people who shouldn't really bother to turn up.

F1 is artificial, always has been. So lets make the artificial-ness work for it rather than against it.

I agree it's always going to be artificial and isn't some utopia where everything is fair.
A couple of years ago I would have been staunchly against such an idea. I've always been a constructor can.
But "teams", like you say in Btcc, would be much better for the viewer. And I suspect it would control costs a bit more too.
I think I just don't want a predictable series anymore. I know Mercedes was going to win last year, I'm not even too bothered, it's that bar 'exceptional circumstances' most of the racing is processional.

It's definitely at the point for me I'd be happy to rewrite core F1 fundamentals for a better experience
 
I'm pretty sure the FIA would like to rewrite the core too, but unfortunately they have scuppered that plan by selling the rights to make the rules to a bunch of self interested competitors.

F1, as it is currently structured, cannot re-invent itself or even patch itself up. Its stuck, and unfortunately its getting to the point where nothing short of a total colapse is going to fix that.

The 2017 regulations (which will be 2018 now, you just watch) are going to be a massive disappointment for everyone hoping for anything more than tweaks.
 
Really Toyota? That's the best colours you could chose!

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http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/122687

Audi have gone Black and Red, and Porsche have gone Black and White, so Toyota go for.... Black, Red and White :rolleyes:
 
Tbh guys, I wouldn't get your hopes up about the 2017 regulations. If anything even changes, they will be watered down, half baked and stupid, and likely won't arrive until 2018 anyway.
 
Can't say I like any of them this year.
Bring back Jordan and their schemes, actually scrap that we just got rid of EJ

RB is best of a bad bunch

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http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/122945

Formula 1 is considering abandoning the current fuel capacity limit to ensure a driver can push throughout a grand prix and avoid the much-maligned lift and coast.

Under the current regulations each car is restricted to a maximum fuel-flow rate of 100kg per hour, but also confined to using no more than 100kg throughout a race.

The disparity means drivers often have to enter into fuel-saving mode during a grand prix, which has led to frustrating instructions to lift and coast.

While the maximum fuel flow will be maintained, removing the ceiling on fuel usage will allow drivers to push for the entirety of a race, and in theory attack more.
 
Pointless. Most teams are already using less than 100kg a race anyway as its always faster to under fuel and manage it than it is to overfuel and push.

We had under fueling and lift and coast in the V8 days too, when there was no cap on fuel capacity.

FIA failing yet again.
 
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